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Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by westcort on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:04PM (#31452486)
My key takeaways:

* SSI is run by the Social Security Administration (SSA), and it is a basic income of sorts given to some people who have little or no other income

* While SSI and its asset cap are obviously not taxes —the government is paying out money, not taking it in —there’s a similar property to many tax systems: as you make more money and become more self-sufficient, you lose some of those gains to government policy

* You really do have to play “hot potato” with your money, never saving more than three months of income (assuming you get the usual benefit) at a time, unless you can divert your money into a category that’s excluded from the SSA’s definition of resources

* So to manage life as a disabled SSI recipient, you might need to carefully separate out your different types of spending between your ABLE account and your ordinary checking account —which still can’t get above $2,000

* “It's making all disabled people into accountants, because you have to be one to follow these rules."

* That $2,000 limit is not indexed for inflation and has not been updated since 1989

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by floxy on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:56PM (#31453016)
My key takeaways:

* There is a bi-partisan bill that has been introduced into the Senate to fix this.

* The new savings limits would be $10,000 per person / $20,000 per couple, and would be indexed to inflation.

* This is senate bill S.4102 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/410...)

* So I suppose we should call or write our senators to help push this along.

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by dclowd9901 on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:29PM (#31453323)
Why have any limit at all. What the hell does a limit even accomplish?
Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:40PM (#31453421)
To prevent a multimillionaire who becomes disabled from collecting disability because they don't need it.

They're punishing hundreds of thousands of people in order to prevent the abuse of a few dozen.

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by mistrial9 on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:01PM (#31454904)
not sure where people live, but here in High Cost of Living place, I see more than a few large houses, in the hills, in bad repair, with many vehicles that have blue handicap tags that never move. My outside guess is that someone with a family history of owning property, got a house long, long ago, and rode out three or four decades of outrageous housing price increases while being careful with all the paperwork. Is this common? no. but I tell you with evidence of my own eyes, in more than a few cases, someone has a kind of stability and wealth that healthy, working people just cant seem to ever get here.
Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by paulmd on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:14PM (#31453170)
Dead on arrival.

If it’s bipartisan, who are the republican co-sponsors? Doubt there are any. And a significant number of democrats will block it. Manchin and Sinema aren’t going to “expand welfare”.

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by floxy on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:17PM (#31453199)
>If it’s bipartisan, who are the republican co-sponsors?

Rob Portman:

https://www.portman.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/portm...

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by paulmd on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:19PM (#31454979)
Ok, one Republican co-sponsor, and it’ll need at least 11 to pass the senate (Manchin will never vote for it).

If you think it’ll pass it’s probably easy money on predictit, right?

It won’t, dead on arrival.

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by unethical_ban on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:06PM (#31453106)
>as you make more money and become more self-sufficient, you lose some of those gains to government policy

Not quite. With a progressive income bracket and a simple tax scenario (1040EZ kind of thing), there is never a time where an increase in salary implies a net decrease in take-home pay. Going "into the next bracket" means your marginal dollars (the new ones you are making) get taxed at a higher rate, not your entire income.

This SSI situation does punish people, however, and it is clearly not the only assistance system with an all-or-nothing cutoff. The solution should either be to have a more intelligent system for measuring income, allowing people to put "excess" income into a focused-use bank account, or to scrap asset restrictions altogether. This sounds like the kind of requirement put in by politicians who have to pander to people who don't want to give money to "freeloaders".

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by dragonwriter on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:23PM (#31454993)
> it is a basic income of sorts given to some people who have little or no other income

Can people please stop calling means tested benefit programs “basic income“ to try to capitalize on the mindshare of an idea explicitly defined in reaction against means-tested benefit programs?

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by Reichhardt on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:41PM (#31452881)
Its highly inefficient for millions of individuals welfare recipients to being independently purchasing accommodation, entertainment, utilities, food.

A superior solution would be for Governments to setup large establishments where all of these services could be provided centrally and directly. Individuals could contribute their labor to maintain the establishment.

Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:16PM (#31453196)
That's called institutionalization and nobody wants that for themselves or the people they care about.
Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by turtledove on Friday May 20, 2022 @07:17PM (#31453759)
Or it's called social housing, food assistance, and single payer healthcare?
Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Friday May 20, 2022 @07:34PM (#31453884)
Those already exists so presumably that's not what the comment I responded to is referring to, in addition it was put in opposition to welfare recipients having the ability to choose how they spend what they receive so there is no equivalency.
Re:Policy punishes disabled people who save more than $2k by turtledove on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:46AM (#31455557)
Do they? I mean, maybe, but definitely not in the States.