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Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by pnf on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:24AM (#31446371)
Ah, the Ol' Chug-a-Lug. I took the midnight train from Rome to Paris almost 15 years ago on sabbatical in Europe with my wife and largish dog. We had a sleeper car. It had a bit of Old World romance but I wouldn't say it was luxurious back then. 14 hours overnight. We were train noobs and didn't know more than a smattering of Italian so were quite confused when we found our compartment. Where were the beds?!?! After an hour sitting uncomfortably on a bench seat, the conductor arrived, schooched us aside, and pulled out two fully-made bunk beds hidden in the wall. He also impatiently demanded we let him take our passports for unknown reasons (Switzerland!). Compared to the wretched discomfort and inconvenience of contemporary, public, red-eye plane travel, it was preferable, and even charming. Would recommend.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by tingle on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:50AM (#31446686)
The conductor took your passports for the cross-border check, since you'd likely be soundly asleep at the time when it would happen. You can view this as a service.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by hugs on Friday May 20, 2022 @09:50AM (#31447365)
That happened to me years ago when I took an overnight train from Paris to Zurich. Problem was I didn't speak French and I didn't understand why he took my passport. Because I didn't know when I would get it back (eventually I did many hours later a few minutes before my final stop), I didn't sleep at all that night because I was worried about not getting it back. Wish I had done a little more research beforehand (and spoke French!).
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by maratc on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:30AM (#31447943)
It also makes sure you don’t hop off before your destination — a problem that mostly does not happen with air travel.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by chrismcb on Saturday May 21, 2022 @11:10PM (#31464545)
Why is hoping off an issue? They've already paid. They have their luggage. I've never been on a train that cared if you got off early.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by maratc on Sunday May 22, 2022 @06:32AM (#31466707)
For a train that crosses country borders it can be an issue, if someone hops off the train before arriving to the final station (and having their visa and luggage checked there). Apparently that is not a problem in the US or EU.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by jgalt212 on Friday May 20, 2022 @09:05AM (#31446845)
Yes, as long as the person is the actual conductor.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by Pamar on Friday May 20, 2022 @02:58PM (#31451230)
You know, they have:

A uniform

Special tools to check the tickets and operate locks

An ID

I don't know where you live but the idea that people would impersonate a conductor(1) to get your passports is something out of a James Bond movie.

1) they would also need to incapacitate the real conductor(s) beforehand.

Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by anamax on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:11PM (#31451980)
You don't need to incapacitate real conductors - you merely need to avoid them and bringing attention to yourself until the end of your impersonation.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by Pamar on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:20PM (#31453229)
Have you ever been on an European train? Especially one crossing borders?
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by anamax on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:19PM (#31454130)
Yes, albeit not recently.

There were many times when conductors were not observing me. Has that changed?

Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by Pamar on Saturday May 21, 2022 @07:12AM (#31456902)
So now you switched from "the guy who (used to) take your ID on a cross-border night train might have been an imposter" to "when I am on a train I am not constantly under survellaince by a controller".

Your fantasy scenario conveniently omits the part where on a night train where you have booked a special compartment with beds and you are crossing borders you can put up a uniform, access the locked wagon-lits cars of the trains, get my passport, get back to the rest of the train, change back, drop off at the next station.

(Hint: the cars with bed compartments are separated by the ones with seats, you access these by showing the tickets to the same uniformed guy who would get your passports and wake you up later, and also night trains do not stop anywhere for hours - stops at the border are as short as possible, and passengers are not allowed to leave the train: for wagon lits the controller will take care of the passports, while people in the normal cars will be checked by the police)

The whole point of taking your passports at the start is to save you being wakened by the border police, so you can sleep for the whole trip.

And for the same reason, wagon lits are locked so that regular passengers cannot get there and disturb you, or try to evade police at the border.

Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by ulfw on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:27AM (#31447869)
Rome to Paris is a 2h flight. No need for red eyes.
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by openstep on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:33AM (#31447992)
2 hourflight but you have to get to the airport early. Then you have to go from charles de gaulle to the city center. It's really much more than 2 hours. Also, in my opinion, it's a lot more stress. I'd prefer to hop on a train from city-center Rome and get dropped off in city-center Paris. Way easier. Also, trains have bar cars. Those are fun. Midnight Trains: sign me up!
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by chrismcb on Saturday May 21, 2022 @11:14PM (#31464567)
For long distances, a flight is quicker. But for most of Europe, the distances aren't far enough to warrant a flight (over you add in the pre arrival time and waiting for checked luggage, and as someone else pointed out getting to and from the airports.) I did that one year, traveled all over Europe by plane. By train is much more comfortable. And for the most part not much slower
Re:Midnight Trains – A Hotel on Rails by Flashtoo on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:16AM (#31448603)
Travelling by train is more sustainable.