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Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by fabianhjr on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:00PM (#31437998)
> it just never gets fixed.

Its because public spending on infrastructure is "socialism" and it is better to give loans to private companies and let "the free market" fix the infrastructure; any day now.

Its an unexplained miracle the US hasn't collapsed yet.

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by swearwolf on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:02PM (#31438043)
It’s starting to. Remember that bridge in Pittsburgh that spontaneously collapsed? I’m sure there are many other lesser known examples.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by throwaway0a5e on Friday May 20, 2022 @01:48PM (#31450536)
The PA bridge collapsed despite a recent (couple years prior) gas tax hike that was supposedly going to be used to prevent exactly that kind of outcome.

Throwing money at the problem doesn't work if you suck at throwing and can't hit the problem.

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by phkahler on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:28PM (#31438301)
>> Its because public spending on infrastructure is "socialism" and it is better to give loans to private companies and let "the free market" fix the infrastructure; any day now.

nonsense. It's the governments job to do this maintenance. There are entire departments dedicated to it. The problem is that they are underfunded, in part because the money goes ummm somewhere else, and because for some reason taxing people or business enough to cover state expenses is considered bad practice.

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by zip1234 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:43PM (#31438469)
Yes, introduce use taxes that fully pay for such infrastructure. Stop overbuilding everything--no reason to make a 4 lane overpass when 2 is sufficient.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by brianwawok on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:10PM (#31441377)
What’s the cost difference in % from building 2 vs 4? What happens if in 10 years you really do need 4? Sometimes it’s smart to overbuild things with a long lifespan.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by zip1234 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @09:27PM (#31442335)
All good questions that are not actually answered when they make those decisions. What does 'need' mean? What is the maintenance cost of maintaining two lanes of road that might be needed in 10 years?

Often road widening is based on projections (which are almost universally wrong): https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2021/09/09/every-traffic-pr...

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by SkittyDog on Thursday May 19, 2022 @04:25PM (#31439717)
The post you're responding to was pretty obviously sarcastic... Note their use of quotes around "socialism" and "the free market, and the phrase "any day now".

So the other poster was making the exact same point that you made (unsarcastically), but it sounds like you may not have realized that? At any rate, you both seem to be largely in agreement about the current state of affairs.

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by xtian on Thursday May 19, 2022 @03:26PM (#31438969)
Our "state expenses" in no way reflect the immediate needs of the people or any kind of popular democratic will. The average citizen in the US gets extremely little from the state relative to the taxes they pay, so opposing higher taxes is very rational.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by chiefalchemist on Thursday May 19, 2022 @04:20PM (#31439665)
Agreed. It's not the amount of taxes per se, it's the (perception of) value. Few are favor of higher taxes because they currently feel that they get (next to) nothing from what they pay now. Who wants to pay more for more nothing??
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by thaumasiotes on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:37PM (#31440506)
> Few are favor of higher taxes because they currently feel that they get (next to) nothing from what they pay now. Who wants to pay more for more nothing??

Interestingly, a lot of these people also aren't in favor of paying less for less nothing.

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by chiefalchemist on Thursday May 19, 2022 @09:01PM (#31442180)
You're going to have to unpack that please. Where are ppl against lower taxes?
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:36PM (#31438389)
If public spending is socialism then why don't states that don't the one party blue states that don't get antsy about "socialism" have great infrastructure?
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by kevingadd on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:54PM (#31438588)
No blue state is actually okay with socialism at any higher level. The Democrat party leadership hates left-wing politics. Just the other day Pete Buttigieg was trying to explain how we can't solve baby formula problems the socialist way so children have to starve for the sake of factory owners:

> Biden’s secretary of transportation, Pete Buttigieg, has argued that this kind of socialist experiment would be unacceptable — even to stop babies from starving to death. “Let’s be very clear,” Buttigieg told CBS, “This is a capitalist country. The government does not make baby formula, nor should it. Companies make baby formula.”

(For the record, "Socialism" would not fix the US's bridge or baby formula woes because they are both the results of decades of neglect and bad policy that can't be undone in a year.)

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by uoaei on Thursday May 19, 2022 @03:12PM (#31438814)
I'm also a bit confused why that came up, considering he's head of transportation. Do they also concern themselves with manufacturing?
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by Mountain_Skies on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:01PM (#31442873)
He had previous in the last couple of days mentioned that him and his husband were unable to find formula for their baby so the question likely came up again since he already had spoken out on the matter. I don't know the context in which it came up days ago. Perhaps it was in a more open ended "get to know" type of interview he was doing.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by munk-a on Thursday May 19, 2022 @03:56PM (#31439351)
Biden's approval numbers are absolute garbage - I suspect he'll have a contested run in 2024 (or "voluntarily" decline to run) and all the sharks want to start getting their names in the headlines.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by justbaker on Sunday May 22, 2022 @12:12AM (#31464827)
Right now I don’t see any way he’ll run knowing he won’t win.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by munk-a on Sunday May 22, 2022 @07:04PM (#31473677)
Hubris is a hell of a drug.
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by thaumasiotes on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:29PM (#31440411)
> “This is a capitalist country. The government does not make baby formula, nor should it. Companies make baby formula.”

Singapore would disagree that government manufacture of baby formula represents socialism. The government can do what it wants without impairing the market. Where socialism comes in is when the government intervenes to protect its baby formula industry, by barring competitors from participating in the market or by subsidizing its own formula manufacture with tax revenues.

Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by x86_64Ubuntu on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:44PM (#31438475)
Are interstates recipients of Federal funding or only state funding?
Re:MI officials fast-track bridge fix after man says it 'col... by fabianhjr on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:57PM (#31438618)
> If public spending is socialism

It isn't, my comment is a jab on US politics and discourse; though neoliberalism and "minarchism" has corroded the existing infrastructure through "austerity" (money redirection towards forever wars and imperialism) and red-scare tactics.