Battery life is pretty good with Gingerbread.

ICS will be able to run on any phone able to run Gingerbread.

It's hard to read your post will all that FUD on it.

i mean, if you look at old iphones, they're pretty laggy and jittery on newer versions of ios

You mean specifically iPhone 3G with iOS 4.0 (which was fixed with 4.1)?

Doubtful, he probably means things like my (current-gen) iPod touch, which runs like molasses with iOS 5. Stutters, jumps, unresponsiveness far worse than any Android phone I ever used.

There's something wrong with your iPod. Have it looked at. I have an old iPhone 3GS that runs IOS 5 more smoothly than my wife's Nexus S runs Gingerbread. And on my iPhone 4 (not 4S) IOS 5 is buttery-smooth - even a bit faster than IOS 4 was in some respects.

There is probably something wrong with your iPod. I'd take it to the Apple Store. iOS 5 works fine on a 3GS, and your iPod has iPhone 4-comparable hardware.

The iPod touch (current gen) has 256MB of RAM to the iPhone4(S)'s 512MB. The iPod Touch (current gen) has a retina display which the iPhone 3GS doesn't have. These factors may have produced a difference in performance.

he made that story up. he's full of it.

That's not the fucking issue here. The only issue is whether is if ICS is smooth and yes it is across the board. But not in apps that havent been updated to take advantage of the newly added HW acceleration yet.

it is the issue. because it doesn't matter if you've got the fastest phone in the world if you can't use it because it's got spyware/malware/virus your phone's useless.

Where are you getting this notion that spyware/malware/viruses are prolific on Android? I can assure you that they are certainly less common on Android than on desktop computers. The Android Market is certainly less curated than the Apple App Store but it's not like it's some haven for cyber criminals. Furthermore, the applications you install all have permissions listed making it much easier to safely install software on Android than it is on a computer and yet here we all are being plenty productive with those (when we aren't on Hacker News).

Google is your friend.

Aug 24 2011: Android-targeted malware jumps 76% in Q2, McAfee says http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/24/android-targeted-malware-jumps...

Aug 01, 2011: Android Trojan records phone calls. CA security team finds more advanced Android malware http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/080111-android-trojan....

Aug 15, 2011: A malicious Android app that disguises itself as Google's new social networking platform, Google+, is capable of stealing data, and answering and recording incoming phone calls http://www.scmagazineus.com/new-android-spyware-answers-inco...

Sep 20, 2011: Android bug lets attackers install malware without warning http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/20/google_android_vulne...

Aug 4, 2011: 8 Notorious Android Malware Attacks. Nearly a third of Android users will fall prey to mobile security threats this year. http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/mobile/23130025...