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Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by kratom_sandwich on Monday May 16, 2022 @06:58PM (#31404074)
With the 36 Chinese stratagems, this makes a total of 74 stratagems you can rely upon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems

Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by Reubend on Monday May 16, 2022 @09:43PM (#31405114)
These are interesting, but they're more for war rather than debate. I could imagine taking them metaphorically and using them in a debate, but it would be a lot trickier.
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by bussierem on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:51PM (#31414884)
Paripi koumei!
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by xcambar on Monday May 16, 2022 @04:13PM (#31402643)
This book should be read by everyone at least a bit interested into how a debate works.

The analytical prowess of Schopenhauer is brilliant and highlights very clearly many of the tactics everyone uses willingly or unwillingly when in need to convince or to prove a point.

A short and good read.

Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by RicoElectrico on Monday May 16, 2022 @06:08PM (#31403719)
If anything, this drives home the point that debates are never about finding the truth. But what is the alternative? I don't know.
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by pavas on Monday May 16, 2022 @08:04PM (#31404494)
Socratic dialogue, where everyone is intent on building up a shared truth. Socrates talks about these two different ways of engaging in dialogue in Plato's works.
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by marginalia_nu on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @07:00AM (#31408637)
Ironically, Plato's Socrates rarely ever actually arrives at what he considers truth, most dialogues just end at an impasse. This is arguably why they're still so readable. They're more about teaching you how to think and question what you know than proselytizing some particular doctrine.
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by bloodyplonker22 on Monday May 16, 2022 @05:58PM (#31403641)
The greatest users of these tactics: politicians. They're great at not necessarily "winning an argument", but making it seem like they won to the weaker minded.
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by thyrsus on Monday May 16, 2022 @11:04PM (#31405607)
Some of these advance toward truth, but many do not. Did Schopenhauer's original make that distinction?
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by foldingmoney on Monday May 16, 2022 @07:57PM (#31404454)
#6 sounds an awful lot like #2 + #3
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by marginalia_nu on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @07:11AM (#31408720)
It's a subtle difference, #2 is arguing against a different meaning of the words than you are intended (what do you mean 2+3=6? Everyone knows 2+3 = 5), #6 is actually changing the words you are saying (what do you mean #2 is #3 + #6?! that doesn't make sense!)
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Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by Pompidou on Monday May 16, 2022 @02:49PM (#31401725)
Schopenhauer died in 1860. NSDAP was funded in 1920. In wich way was Schopenhauer a Nazi ?
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by threads2 on Monday May 16, 2022 @03:26PM (#31402145)
"The highest civilization and culture, apart from the ancient Hindus and Egyptians, are found exclusively among the white races" - Schopenhauer, Parerga and Paralipomena, Vol. 2, "On Philosophy and Natural Science," §92, trans. Payne (p. 158-159).

"[Judaism] is, therefore, the crudest and poorest of all religions and consists merely in an absurd and revolting theism." - Schopenhauer, "Fragments for the History of Philosophy", Parerga and Paralipomena, Volume I, trans. Payne (p. 126).

Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by rohfle on Monday May 16, 2022 @06:50PM (#31404031)
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by Pompidou on Monday May 16, 2022 @03:37PM (#31402258)
Thank you very much, I will take a look. Do you know of such ideas in The World as Will and Representation ?
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by jmeister on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @08:35AM (#31409584)
Are we still doing this? Antisemitism was the norm among intellectuals before WW2. Check out what Marx had to say.
Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by incomingpain on Monday May 16, 2022 @03:55PM (#31402446)
>Schopenhauer died in 1860. NSDAP was funded in 1920. In wich way was Schopenhauer a Nazi ?

I was following Rule 38.

LoL I got flagged for being 100% on subject.

Re:Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument by marginalia_nu on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @07:02AM (#31408644)
You yourself fell victim to #32.