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Re:Brain FLOPS by throwaway4good on Sunday May 15, 2022 @06:15AM (#31386569)
Why do people think this guy is some sort of techno philosophical king? Yeah, he can code Python, but this is laughable ...
Re:Brain FLOPS by jamesrom on Sunday May 15, 2022 @06:38AM (#31386670)
What's with these "throwaway" accounts saying stuff is "laughable" without an opinion to back it up?

Can you explain what is laughable here?

Re:Brain FLOPS by mrks_hy on Sunday May 15, 2022 @07:07AM (#31386788)
Not OP, but the premise is just too naive. He's coming from a compsci deep learning angle and thus arrives at a completely flawed model for how neurons interact and "compute". Not that we have a model that even explains this theoretically yet, but it makes no real sense to talk of Brain FLOPs in the way he does. It's borderline cringeworthy that this is upvoted so high.
Re:Brain FLOPS by SemanticStrengh on Sunday May 15, 2022 @09:31AM (#31387446)
The dismissal is cringeworthy, the human cortex only consumes 0.17 watts https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.057927v1.... Which put a very low upper limit to the number of simultaneous neurons that can be activated. Considering it as FLOPs or not is irrelevant to this fundamental limitation and that is the point you are all ridiculously missing
Re:Brain FLOPS by d_tr on Sunday May 15, 2022 @07:08AM (#31386792)
The amount of complexity casually thrown away. The premises and the conclusions. The fact that this is on the front page.
Re:Brain FLOPS by throwaway4good on Sunday May 15, 2022 @07:10AM (#31386798)
That we are discussing it; the only reason this blurp is here on top of hn is the author and his cult following.
Re:Brain FLOPS by stephc_int13 on Sunday May 15, 2022 @07:08AM (#31386791)
There is this weird idea that human intelligence would be somewhat general enough that if someone exhibit exceptional talent in some fields, his insight about other, loosely connected fields, are valuable.

Elon Musk is an other good example, the guy is super smart but also super dumb about a few things, and this is entirely normal and compatible.

We should never look for a messiah.

Re:Brain FLOPS by SemanticStrengh on Sunday May 15, 2022 @09:33AM (#31387464)
Anyone can become a polymath with training and hard work, leonardo da vincy being the best example.
Re:Brain FLOPS by knotofvipers on Monday May 16, 2022 @08:31AM (#31396163)
It is unfortunate we have lost the concept of a "learned" person.

I notice this reading about Voltaire and how often he is referred to as a "learned" person.

Instead it seems like we just so accept the brain is literally a type of computer that we just haven't figured out the architecture for yet. The storage part is completely trivial like a hard drive so the idea of a "learned" person is equally trivial.

Re:Brain FLOPS by stephc_int13 on Sunday May 15, 2022 @09:47AM (#31387533)
Absolutely, with training and hard work.

But there is this strange belief that if someone is extremely skilled in a field, his genius can be applied with little efforts and training elsewhere.

You can be a Chess champion and an excellent Chef, but you this is completely unrelated, except maybe for the discipline.

Same with Philosophy and Theoretical Physics, or almost anything.

You can even be a World class Quake player and be mediocre or barely average at CS.

Re:Brain FLOPS by SemanticStrengh on Sunday May 15, 2022 @10:03AM (#31387630)
I half-disagree. Yes there are skills that do not or poorly translate from one field to another. E.g. reaction time in a FPS video game might or might not help reaction time in playing tennis IRL and will probably not help you cook better meals. Although some kinds of brain stimulation (including video games) have a moderate positive effect on a wide range of things, but as said the effect is moderate. As for tennis reaction time, the effect might be strong but not necessarily. However there is one skill or set of skills that do translate over almost all cognitive tasks that involve reasoning/language/understanding/science. I am talking about training in rationality, critical thinking, epistemology and debiasing against brain bugs such as cognitive biases and logical fallacies. This training will help significantly to increase the logical validity (structure) of arguments and to better quantify or evaluate the validity and strength of premises. However this is only half of the equation since being able to evaluate or form logical structures do not allow to verify alone the truthfulness of premises because they are external knolwedge you can't infer from nothing so yeah erudition is the other half and sometimes logic alone with limited knowledge can yield some interesting results and a rationally trained mind can go much further than a person who just has erudition but yeah for a complex topic, you generally need both to have potent explanative power and tentatively exhaustive exloration of the mental search space.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Re:Brain FLOPS by stephc_int13 on Sunday May 15, 2022 @10:45AM (#31387865)
My point is that what we call Human Intelligence is less general than we think.

It is a large aggregate of abilities and skills, with some connections between them.

And we also tend to confuse language and rhetorical ability with general intelligence, because this is an ability we all have and need, that is also acting as a proxy intelligence benchmark but I don't think this ability is general enough to be used in this way.

Re:Brain FLOPS by CipherThrowaway on Sunday May 15, 2022 @11:06AM (#31387992)
Problem with this PoV is that these things don't directly impart knowledge of a subject. You might be smarter than your doctor or lawyer, but they are decades ahead of you in terms of training and practice. This includes not just their personal experience in the field but also access to the social stock of knowledge of their profession. Sure, there are problems like institutional bias and groupthink. But these are minor issues compared to the issue of having no grounding or education in the field as is usually the case when engineers opine their unconventional views in different subjects.

So the fallacy behind the fake polymath is not the idea that being smart makes you better at analyzing information. It's the idea that being smart is a substitute for information and expertise. This mistaken assumption can lead smart engineers to beliefs that subject matter experts consider religious or delusional. Mars colonization is a great example in Elon Musk's case.

Btw most of the general training you mentioned isn't part of STEM and is historically associated with humanities subjects like law and philosophy instead. In STEM you typically work with set epistemic frameworks with unambiguous correct and incorrect answers. In this sense, engineers actually learn the opposite of critical thinking and discourse.