Yeah, same. A referral can get you a phone/zoom call with the right person, and somewhat skip the intro nonsense. After that it’s still back-to-back grilling.

I do like a referral however. I often get cold emails from recruiters that are interested in hiring me, but still want me to fill out an application and do some intro async coding screen. It feels silly. I’d think I’d they’re reaching out, then why do I need to fill out an application? Let’s have a convo with the hiring manager, see if our goals align, and do the on-site grilling thing, if so.