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Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by rilezg on Saturday May 14, 2022 @03:42PM (#31381592)
This article is a summary of a different article: https://capitolism.thedispatch.com/p/americas-infant-formula...

It seems odd that the posted article ignores how WIC contracts are distorting the market and encouraging a monopoly and instead jumps on over-regulation being the problem. It sure seems like those contracts should either not be exclusive or should require suppliers to demonstrate supply resiliency in the face of a single factory failure.

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by jonahhorowitz on Saturday May 14, 2022 @06:30PM (#31383306)
Two things to know as well. WIC only pays for certain sizes for formula[0] purchased at retail because they're afraid that poor women will stock up on formula or resell it. Also women have to pay part of the cost of the formula for the same reason.

> Many others have simply switched to Enfamil. Increasingly, they reach for the 12.4-ounce cans, the only size paid for by WIC.

> “I’ve gone to stores in Long Beach, I’ve gone to Rolling Hills, Carson — I’ve gone to Inglewood just to see if I could get lucky,” said Landers. “If they do have it, it’s the larger size; it’s not the size that’s approved.”

[0]- https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-13/baby-for...

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by 999900000999 on Saturday May 14, 2022 @04:30PM (#31382023)
I was frankly alarmed something like half of kids qualify for WIC.

Don't get me wrong, feed em, but why is child poverty so bad in the US ?

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by rilezg on Saturday May 14, 2022 @05:28PM (#31382721)
WIC eligibility can vary by state, but is between 100% and 185% of the federal poverty level (I spot-checked a few states, and all I saw was 185%). 185% comes to ~$50k per year for a family of 4. And most people have children relatively young, which usually means they aren't earning a ton of money.

This is the sort of program that I'd rather 'too many' people be eligible for than exclude anyone who might be helped (it is not just about adequate nutrition, but also providing information on healthy eating and referrals to health care).

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by supertrope on Saturday May 14, 2022 @04:55PM (#31382287)
Part of it is the exact federal poverty line depends on the family size. An income that's just over the poverty line for two adults would be under the line once it's two adults and one kid. Something like a third of adults in poverty would not be if they were childless. And then of course their kid(s) are a statistic.

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/federal-poverty-level-FP...

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by 999900000999 on Saturday May 14, 2022 @05:40PM (#31382842)
I'd argue the poverty line in America is very low compared to what it really takes to live.

Most people can't significantly save money, so when you have a bad month it's hard to catch up.

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by User23 on Saturday May 14, 2022 @04:45PM (#31382172)
You have to be poor or very affluent to afford children in many American cities. And many of the affluent aren’t procreating.
Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by jMyles on Saturday May 14, 2022 @05:29PM (#31382722)
> And many of the affluent aren’t procreating.

Source?

Has the relative, inflation-adjusted average wealth of new parents changed substantially?

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by User23 on Sunday May 15, 2022 @02:18PM (#31389644)
> Source?

Do your own googles instead of implying that I'm ignorant or dishonest. It's easy to find birth rates broken out by income. What I said is true and readily verifiable.

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by jMyles on Sunday May 15, 2022 @05:51PM (#31391504)
I implied no such thing.

You, be contrast ("do your own googles") implied that I lack the work ethic or skill to determine this. But I did give it a quick go, and searching phrases like (birth trends by income decades) didn't yield anything to support this assertion.

I doubt you are dishonest; I just don't know the facts myself.

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by User23 on Sunday May 15, 2022 @06:46PM (#31391909)
“Source?” comes off as obnoxious, lazy, and disrespectful to me and I intentionally communicated that, yes. However, I’ll gladly take you at your word that you didn’t intend such.

I’m surprised that you’re having trouble finding this, but assuming good faith here is the top result for [birth rate by income] on Google search for me[1]. I’m located in the USA so if you’re not perhaps this result don’t appear for you. As you can see birth rates are considerably higher among the poorest Americans. Further searching will confirm that the trend holds within and between other countries too.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-fam...

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by usrn on Saturday May 14, 2022 @10:30PM (#31384746)
My understanding is that it mostly goes to immigrants.
Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by mlom on Saturday May 14, 2022 @04:46PM (#31382189)
edit, probably being touchy about a misunderstanding, nvm
Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by Blahah on Saturday May 14, 2022 @04:51PM (#31382245)
Pretty sure the gp was saying that it's surprising/appaling so many people in the US are living in poverty. Not that relying on welfare is bad, or that buying food any particular way is bad.
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Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by dang on Saturday May 14, 2022 @05:51PM (#31382955)
Can you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:Bad government policy is fueling the infant formula shortage by cmrdporcupine on Saturday May 14, 2022 @05:43PM (#31382871)
It only seems odd that the article ignores X and emphasises Y until you look at where the article is from.

'Reason' has an ideological hammer, and goshdarnit they'll go find some terrible government nails for it, whether that's the actual problem or not.