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Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by scott_s on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:20AM (#3139569)
This is getting silly. Lock screens are the security equivalent of having a screen door. They exist to keep the mildly annoying things out, but they're not designed to prevent the real baddies.

Breaking with metaphor, I don't consider it much of a security flaw if step one is the other person has to have physical access to the device.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by VMG on Friday October 21, 2011 @11:28AM (#3140171)
I think there is still a difference between circumventing security, circumventing security without any tools and circumventing without leaving traces.

I can't see why you can't make an iPad everything-but-screwdriver-proof.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by scott_s on Friday October 21, 2011 @11:54AM (#3140320)
I'm not sure you'd want to.

Okay, let's say it's now true. So if you forget your lock screen password, that's it, you're SOL. You bring it to the Genius bar at an Apple store. They inform you that you're SOL and you'll need to pay $600 for a new one. Yes, this would happen, so it's a terrible idea.

Okay, so relent a little, and let the people at the Genius bar send a special override command that enables them to unlock the device. This would be special in the sense that you couldn't do this at home with iTunes.

But eventually someone would reverse engineer what, exactly, that special command is, and then regular users would be able to unlock devices on their own. We're no longer everything-but-screwdriver-proof, but we're more secure than before.

My question: is it worth it? I don't think so. We're still in a situation where this is only going to be a concern when you lose your device - either because you left it somewhere or it was stolen. But we've now introduced lots of potential headaches for the user, for very little practical gain.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by underwater on Friday October 21, 2011 @01:05PM (#3140664)
Not necessarily. There could be a unique code for each device stored at a central location. That way unlocks could be tracked and audited.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by scott_s on Friday October 21, 2011 @01:32PM (#3140788)
And those codes could leak, at which point we're back to the beginning.

But let's assume it doesn't leak. Is it worth it? Consider the enormous cost that would be required for this: every new iPad that is manufactured would need to be recorded in this central database. Secure access to it needs to be set up and maintained from all Apple stores around the world. Is that worth it for a rarely needed feature that most people don't care about?

If you instead try to do a secure hash of, say, the serial number, that's much less cost to maintain, but that hash will almost certainly leak. (Think DeCSS.)

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by antimora on Thursday October 20, 2011 @10:19PM (#3138062)
I just tried on my iPad2 and the hack works.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by icarus_drowning on Thursday October 20, 2011 @10:57PM (#3138154)
Isn't it trivial to "fix" this by just disabling smart-cover unlocking? Isn't that exactly why this is a user-enabled feature of the smart cover?

It isn't that I oppose viewing this as a "bug" (obviously the user is led to believe that a password in and of itself would prevent this), but I would think that anyone security-conscious enough to have a password should be disabling smart cover unlocking anyway...

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by saurik on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:13PM (#3138192)
I largely agree. That said, it is a weird default, as if you've never owned a smart cover, it might not occur to you that there is a setting relating to it you don't want that is defaulted to on. I mean, it seems fair to me that someone who is "security-conscious" shouldn't be forced to examine every single option on the device looking for a painfully insecure default.

This is typical of Apple, though: it is also fun to carry around an Apple Remote if you know people with MacBooks. You walk up behind them, hit the menu button, and yell "FRONT ROW!", at which point their computer (default setting: accept any random remote) will /slowly/ fade to black, and then /slowly/ fade into a TV-like UI the user has probably never seen before.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by bonzoesc on Friday October 21, 2011 @12:08AM (#3138360)
> This is typical of Apple, though: it is also fun to carry around an Apple Remote if you know people with MacBooks. You walk up behind them, hit the menu button, and yell "FRONT ROW!", at which point their computer (default setting: accept any random remote) will /slowly/ fade to black, and then /slowly/ fade into a TV-like UI the user has probably never seen before.

It's /more/ fun to walk around with a defcon 2008 badge hacked to mash the "menu" button ten times a second rolling through the different pairing codes :)

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by scott_s on Friday October 21, 2011 @01:02PM (#3140648)
Oh, thank you. Now I'm going to do this after telling my coworkers that Siri has been silently integrated into OSX.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by bonzoesc on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:46PM (#3142463)
Lion removed Front Row, so you'll just mess up their music.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by icarus_drowning on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:23PM (#3138218)
It clearly should be fixed, as it is a bug. I'm just a bit amused at the OP presenting it a somewhat sensationalist fashion.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by kalleboo on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:43PM (#3138286)
Did you watch the video? This is definitely a bug, seeing as it only happens when you have the shutdown panel open. When you don't have the shutdown panel open, it shows the password prompt as expected. There's no reason that smart cover unlocking and a password prompt can't co-exist.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by xuki on Friday October 21, 2011 @12:09AM (#3138364)
This is clearly a bug, if you don't hold the power button until the slider appears, you need to enter a passcode.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by Groxx on Thursday October 20, 2011 @10:34PM (#3138098)
Oh snap, that's bad. Given dbtc's comment, can anyone clarify if this is 4-#-bypassing or password-bypassing? Horrible either way, but wow.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by X-Istence on Thursday October 20, 2011 @10:47PM (#3138135)
The attacker has physical access to your device ... you have bigger problems to worry about.

That being said, just disable the unlock with smart cover and problem solved.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by pyre on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:05PM (#3138177)
The speed with which the attack can be done is really the key here. This is less an issue of someone stealing your iPad2 and then getting access to your personal data. This is more an issue of someone having physical access for a couple of minutes and being able to get into and out of the device without being detected.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by X-Istence on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:35PM (#3138260)
If they have a smart cover around (if you don't own one), and if you have the "unlock with smartcover" feature enabled.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by jbri on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:41PM (#3138283)
The feature defaults to enabled. If you don't own a smart cover, would you really look through the options for something like that and change it? Would your Joe Average consumer?

An insecure default shouldn't be excused because you can change it - the default configuration should be secure against such an attack.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by ugh on Friday October 21, 2011 @01:29AM (#3138573)
I think that option isn’t even displayed when you have never used a smartcover with your iPad and it defaults to being turned on.

So in order to avoid this bug you would have to own a smartcover (or magnet) and hold it up to the sensor (it’s on the right side of the device) in order to display the option in the settings and only then could you turn it off.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by nodata on Friday October 21, 2011 @02:15AM (#3138662)
> The attacker has physical access to your device ... you have bigger problems to worry about.

1. What bigger problems do I have to worry about?

2. The iPad uses encryption just like the iPhone. Most people won't be able to defeat that encryption, but most people will be able to do this simple on/off hack.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by demallien on Friday October 21, 2011 @06:55AM (#3139255)
2. The iPad uses encryption just like the iPhone.

Sure, but the decryption keys are also on the iDevice, otherwise it wouldn't work. Which means that a competent cracker can get access to your data. Not a big issue if all you have is personal stuff (but then, how bad is it if your personal data is compromised), but the gains for bug business espionage could justify the expense of a crack... So yes, the battle is already lost if an attacker physically has your iDevice in their hands. Don't do that.

Still, the default setting for the smart cover is clearly a bad security error by Apple - I trust it will be quickly fixed.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by nodata on Friday October 21, 2011 @07:29AM (#3139317)
Wait a second, you wrote:

> The attacker has physical access to your device ... you have bigger problems to worry about.

I don't have bigger problems to worry about (or maybe I do - what are they?)

Perhaps 1% of thieves can get at my encrypted data, but probably all of them will be able to perform the few steps necessary to bypass the lock screen.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by demallien on Friday October 21, 2011 @07:37AM (#3139326)
Wait a second, you wrote:

Uh, no I didn't ;)

Look, the thing is, if you're worried about a casual thief, they probably don't care about your data anyway, they're going to wipe the device clean and resell it. If it is someone that actually stole the device to get the data, then I would expect your '1%' (plucked out of the air, or is there a reference for this kind of statistic - honest question, I'm not snarking) is actually going to be a much higher number, in which case the encryption isn't going to save you. It's pretty much game over once the attacker has their hands on the physical device, afterwards it's just a question of time.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by nodata on Friday October 21, 2011 @08:37AM (#3139437)
My point is this: physical access to the device does not normally mean Game Over.

Most theft is going to be opportunist. For most thefts my data is going to be protected by the encryption. So in most cases, I don't have anything bigger to worry about.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by Groxx on Friday October 21, 2011 @12:40PM (#3140562)
How many competent crackers vs opportunistic snatchers do you think there are? I'd be willing to bet that most would just wipe the thing if they can't get in easily enough - the data is less valuable than the device. That is, in anything but a targeted data-stealing attempt, but you're really hosed if you're a target of skilled hackers/crackers.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by seabee on Friday October 21, 2011 @08:42AM (#3139449)
Don't forget that your passcode/password also forms part of the decryption key. It's not quite as bad as you make it out to be.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by rlpb on Friday October 21, 2011 @10:04AM (#3139754)
Which is usually a four digit code, since you have to type it in so often? That's about 10,000 combinations. It's trivial to go through all the combinations. Even if it took a second per combination, it'd be cracked under three hours.

A more sensible way to encrypt a device is to use a separate long code that only has to be typed in at boot. Using a screen lock as an encryption key is just not effective.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by onemoreact on Friday October 21, 2011 @10:59AM (#3140014)
Someone can probably manually access this in about 8 hours. 4 seconds / attempt = 7,200 guesses ~72% chance to break in. (Assuming there is no built in lockout based on failed attempts.)
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by 5hoom on Friday October 21, 2011 @12:08AM (#3138361)
While the adage "physical access == game over" is definitely true, it's a bit less useful now as more & more devices are portable.

Previously, physical access meant someone broke in or fraudulently gained entry to a room where your pc/server lives. Nowadays it means someone grabbed your tablet/smartphone for a minute while you are in the bathroom.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by JoshTriplett on Friday October 21, 2011 @12:20AM (#3138404)
Why would you leave your electronics out while you're in the bathroom? Especially a smartphone---you can just put that in your pocket.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by DallaRosa on Friday October 21, 2011 @01:15AM (#3138536)
Sure. Try putting the ipad in your pocket.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by X-Istence on Friday October 21, 2011 @01:33AM (#3138583)
I have never left my iPad lying anywhere, unless it is with friends, and I am not too worried about them getting a peek at my home screen, or my email...
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by nodata on Friday October 21, 2011 @02:09AM (#3138658)
It's not a binary decision.

Your e-mail is the key to your entire online (offline too?) identity.

I trust my friends but I wouldn't give all of them "me-level" access to my entire life.

Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by Marwy on Friday October 21, 2011 @03:32AM (#3138832)
But there's this little thing called privacy.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by veidr on Friday October 21, 2011 @02:18AM (#3138670)
I have never left my iPad lying anywhere but the bathroom. (That's the only place I find it actually useful.)
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by VMG on Friday October 21, 2011 @03:44AM (#3138851)
So why bother offering a lock screen at all?
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by dbtc on Thursday October 20, 2011 @10:01PM (#3138006)
I couldn't get it to work on an iPad 2 that was locked with a character password (the qwerty keyboard pops up).
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by xuki on Thursday October 20, 2011 @10:37PM (#3138108)
Worked on my iPad 2 wifi with character password.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by dvdhsu on Friday October 21, 2011 @12:21AM (#3138405)
Because the defaults allow no passcode, somebody could carry a SmartCover with them, and break in to any iPad they "borrow" for a few minutes.
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by mikemoka on Friday October 21, 2011 @03:50AM (#3138864)
So let me straight, being the first one a setting it wasn't a vulnerability, instead this one is. I can't see the logic behind their reasoning, in my opinion they are both superficial security policies (ie. badly set defaults)
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by Curbob on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:01PM (#3138168)
How many people start the shut down process and then close their cover? Kind of a lame hack
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by pyre on Thursday October 20, 2011 @11:03PM (#3138172)
What's to stop an attacker from opening the smart cover, starting the shutdown process, closing the smart cover, and then opening it again?
Re:Anyone with a smart cover can break into your iPad2 by Curbob on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:51AM (#3139699)
you are completely correct (if it works that way, I'll have to try it later)