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Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by Barrin92 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:24PM (#31360827)
>so your boring old index fund might go down when crypto goes down

I need someone to explain to me how my S&P 500 blackrock ishares are going to die from crypto. I don't think FAANG, Berkshire, Exxon and Pfitzer are going to notice if all of crypto dropped to zero right now.

Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by netheril96 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @09:11PM (#31362068)
> I don't think FAANG, Berkshire, Exxon and Pfitzer are going to notice if all of crypto dropped to zero right now.

If some investors are invested in both FANNG and crypto, when they face margin call in the latter they may have to sell the former to cover their position.

Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by chii on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:01AM (#31363174)
do most investors really take out margin loans to buy stocks?

I can understand _some_ investors do it, but i'd imagine it's not a majority.

Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by netheril96 on Friday May 13, 2022 @07:04AM (#31365835)
> do most investors really take out margin loans to buy stocks?

In the scenario I describe, those investors take margin loans to long or short crypto, and when they fail, they sell other assets to cover themselves.

This is just one possibility I describe.

> but i'd imagine it's not a majority.

No one knows. It may take only one institutional investor who lost a gigantic amount of money in crypto trading and were therefore forced to sell stocks to shake the stock market.

Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by sb057 on Friday May 13, 2022 @11:11AM (#31368684)
1) There are a number of publicly-traded crypto-centric companies, such as Coinbase, Riot Blockchain, Marathon Digital Holdings, and MicroStrategy. Although not part of any major index, investment firms that are undoubtedly have significant exposure to them.

2) There are plenty of crypto ETFs, such as GBTC and BITO, where selloffs there could cause liquidations elsewhere.

3) Major companies themselves now have significant crypto holdings. The most famous being Tesla, but investment banks have been piling into it over the past year. SPY's own State Street announced a 425-man team to head a new division last June.

Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by lxgr on Thursday May 12, 2022 @07:05PM (#31361161)
How is "going down" (by some percentage) the same thing as "dropping to zero"?
Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by thfuran on Thursday May 12, 2022 @09:12PM (#31362090)
If they wouldn't be affected by crypto going down by 100%, why would they be affected by crypto going down by less than that?
Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by rglullis on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:40PM (#31360954)
How much of FAANG's customers would cease to exist and stop spending if crypto went to zero?
Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by blibble on Thursday May 12, 2022 @07:00PM (#31361115)
probably less than 1%
Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by rglullis on Friday May 13, 2022 @02:47PM (#31371186)
How much of a hit it would be on FAANG's market cap if their revenue went down by 1%?
Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by blibble on Saturday May 14, 2022 @01:49PM (#31380489)
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Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by rglullis on Sunday May 15, 2022 @06:15AM (#31386573)
Right, because stock markets never go down when tech companies show signs of declining revenue.
Re:The Cryptocurrency Crash Is Replaying 2008 as Absurdly as... by blibble on Sunday May 15, 2022 @02:50PM (#31389938)
crypto is so insignificant it will be regarded as noise on their PnL