Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately
by skissane on Thursday May 12, 2022 @10:39AM
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Question: when Orban says “liberal” or “illiberal”, what does he actually mean by those terms?
Worth keeping in mind that Americans and Europeans (especially Continentals/non-Anglophones) may have rather different definitions of “liberal”: “American conservatism, with its Lockean roots, is—from a Continental point of view—not really conservatism, but rather, old-school liberalism.” [0]
Similarly: what’s the difference between a “neoconservative” and a “neoliberal”? The terms have a lot of overlap, many people could be equally described by both: but if a neoconservative can also be a neoliberal, then what’s the difference between “conservative” and “liberal”?
And then I remember that I come from a country whose main “conservative” party is called the “Liberal Party of Australia” (or just “the Liberals” for short). Many of its members and leaders will defend the apparent contradiction by saying “We are conservatives, but we are also classical liberals”-a line I’ve also heard from right-of-centre Americans.
See also “conservative liberalism” [1] - which of course is obviously a very different thing from “liberal conservatism” [2]
Worth keeping in mind that Americans and Europeans (especially Continentals/non-Anglophones) may have rather different definitions of “liberal”: “American conservatism, with its Lockean roots, is—from a Continental point of view—not really conservatism, but rather, old-school liberalism.” [0]
Similarly: what’s the difference between a “neoconservative” and a “neoliberal”? The terms have a lot of overlap, many people could be equally described by both: but if a neoconservative can also be a neoliberal, then what’s the difference between “conservative” and “liberal”?
And then I remember that I come from a country whose main “conservative” party is called the “Liberal Party of Australia” (or just “the Liberals” for short). Many of its members and leaders will defend the apparent contradiction by saying “We are conservatives, but we are also classical liberals”-a line I’ve also heard from right-of-centre Americans.
See also “conservative liberalism” [1] - which of course is obviously a very different thing from “liberal conservatism” [2]
Tis all as clear as mud
[0] https://europeanconservative.com/articles/commentary/the-big...
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberalism
[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism