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Re:Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance pl... by TheFreim on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @02:51PM (#31330989)
> It's even arguably a violation of the religious freedom of Jewish folks to ban abortion

This argument, and arguments like it, miss the nature of the issue.

If abortion is the immoral killing of an innocent human being/person, as pro-lifers claim, then it doesn't matter if it's a Christian/jewish/other religious ritual [see note] (we don't allow child sacrifice even if it's a sincerely held religious ritual).

If abortion is amoral, simply removing unwanted cells/not violating the rights of any individual then and only then does the religious ritual argument for remaining legal make sense.

To summarize, the "religious ritual" argument only works if you presume that the pro-choice view is correct. If pro-life claims are correct it's irrelevant. This and similar arguments distract from the true issue and prevent people from understanding the other.

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Note: I understand abortion isn't necessarily a "ritual" in Judaism, just that it's permitted (mandated?) in certain situations. I simply use the term "ritual" to signify either a ritual or a religiously allowed practice.

Re:Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance pl... by mcv on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @07:14AM (#31338286)
> If abortion is the immoral killing of an innocent human being/person, as pro-lifers claim

Yeah, but is it? Both legally and biblically, personhood starts at birth. Nobody I know of holds funerals for their miscarriage, or gives it a name. At least not for early stage miscarriages (which, as with abortions, are far, far more common than miscarriages and abortions late in the pregnancy).