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Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by Goladus on Wednesday October 19, 2011 @03:08PM (#3131580)
> We need to stop talking about "job creation" and start talking about "wealth creation".

It's more than wealth creation, though. People must also be paid fairly for the wealth created. Wealth creation is happening, the problem is that the rewards for it are all being skimmed away and those in the middle are being squeezed-- squeezed out of their homes, out of their cars, and out of their educations.

The housing boom of the last decade resulted in a great deal of wealth creation. That wasn't the problem. The problem is who ultimately winds up owning that wealth and how much it's worth on the market.

It's true you can't just wave your magic jobs wand and "create jobs," it's true that people gloss over the need to create wealth and eventually be profitable. That doesn't mean improving the number and quality of jobs (or work) available isn't an important focus.

Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by prostoalex on Wednesday October 19, 2011 @03:26PM (#3131644)
>>> Wealth creation is happening, the problem is that the rewards for it are all being skimmed away and those in the middle are being squeezed

Those whose compensation is unfair usually run for another employer (that another employer sometimes being themselves). Money is simply a proxy for the value of the goods/services they produce for the society.

Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by Goladus on Wednesday October 19, 2011 @04:40PM (#3131964)
> Those whose compensation is unfair usually run for another employer

This doesn't happen efficiently, however. Moving upwards is risky and the consequences of a downward-adjustment (getting layed off) often include bankruptcy and financial ruin.

Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by anon808 on Wednesday October 19, 2011 @05:36PM (#3132223)
"Money is simply a proxy for the value of the goods/services they produce for the society."

If that's true, explain drug money.

I'm being serious.

Money is a decent proxy, but not perfect. It's important to remember that. It's good at measuring quantity, not quality.

Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by lupatus on Wednesday October 19, 2011 @06:32PM (#3132433)
I'll bite.

<devil's advocate> Drug dealers/producers produce products that provide the user with exotic and novel experiences and which may increase the user's sociability. Similar to the travel industry and a personal life coach in a small form factor, drugs are good/service that many people seem to want. </devil's advocate>

Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by anon808 on Wednesday October 19, 2011 @09:23PM (#3132961)
If you believe that drugs add value to people's life, then you've chosen the world you want to live in. I chose to believe that (addictive) drugs are really a tax levied on people with weaknesses to be exploited (we all have weaknesses that can be exploited). The purchase of addictive drugs doesn't create value but redistributes wealth from the folks that are weak to the exploiters of that weakness. I don't value drug wealth. That's the world I choose to live in.
Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by rooshdi on Thursday October 20, 2011 @02:54AM (#3133767)
<spaghetti monster's advocate> Values vary; the world you live in is only one planet.</spagetti monster's advocate>
Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by lupatus on Thursday October 20, 2011 @12:59PM (#3135712)
I don't believe that (see the devil's advocate tags...). But, some people obviously do.
Re:We Can All Become Job Creators by justincormack on Thursday October 20, 2011 @08:18AM (#3134454)
The housing boom created no wealth. None at all. When house prices go up nothing is created, houses dont get better or more numerous (building does that). Wealth is redistributed but not created.