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Re:Declassified memo 'confirms' direct connection between Sa... by dragonwriter on Sunday May 08, 2022 @08:07PM (#31309198)
> And the people who killed him can't just change the definition of the battlefield to "the world" and call it justifiable. I mean, they can and they did because neocons are gonna neocon. But it's very clearly and obviously unconstitutional.

The Constitution doesn't refer to battlefields at all. It does give Congress the power to declare war, which it exercised via the AUMF. There are numerous cases establishing that, in war, US citizens who are combatants of the enemy are not entitled to special treatment.

Re:Declassified memo 'confirms' direct connection between Sa... by yucky on Monday May 09, 2022 @03:32PM (#31318670)
He was not a combatant though, and he wasn't even in any of the countries we were "at war" with. So if the government can use the pretext of "bad person sides against US Government in Youtube videos" to reach out and assassinate the person anywhere on earth, (because global war on terror = whole globe), then they have de facto denied Constitutional rights to any US citizens who the government chooses to go after, and does not require the US Government to prove anything.

Also, as has already been said in other posts, the Al-Awlaki family begged the US Government for over a year to charge him with a crime, ANY CRIME, so that he could turn himself in and have his day in court. The US Government refused to ever charge him with a crime specifically so they could deny him his rights.

You guys need to stop pretending this was some American killed on a battlefield while shooting at US soldiers. All it does is make you look dishonest, so what is the point?

Re:Declassified memo 'confirms' direct connection between Sa... by trevorboaconstr on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @01:15AM (#31323699)
Are you going to cite any of this, at all, about the statements made by Awlaki’s family?
Re:Declassified memo 'confirms' direct connection between Sa... by yucky on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @10:11AM (#31327347)
Yes, it's been linked twice for you already. Please read back through the thread. You can reference the lawsuit and the public statements made prior to the assassination.

Now, are you ever going to answer why the US Government never bothered to charge him with a crime?

Re:Declassified memo 'confirms' direct connection between Sa... by ncmncm on Monday May 09, 2022 @02:16AM (#31311168)
Do we really need to point out that Congress did not, in fact, declare war?
Re:Declassified memo 'confirms' direct connection between Sa... by dragonwriter on Monday May 09, 2022 @04:18AM (#31311754)
> Do we really need to point out that Congress did not, in fact, declare war?

Congress did, in fact, declare war. It is well established in law that the Cobstitutional power to declare war doesn't require using any particular words, and that it may be conditional on either external events or executive determinations. The AUMF is, Constitutionally, a conditional declaration of war.

Re:Declassified memo 'confirms' direct connection between Sa... by yucky on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @10:10AM (#31327332)
>The AUMF is, Constitutionally, a conditional declaration of war.

It's not, but that actually isn't relevant and doesn't matter in the Al-Awlaki case anyway.

The text of the AUMF specifically references those who participated in or planned 9/11, which means it's not relevant to Al-Awlaki. Also, Al-Awlaki's family offered to have him turn himself in the second he was charged with a crime but the US Government refused to charge him since that would immediately guarantee him Due Process which they specifically sought to avoid.