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Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Normal_gaussian on Sunday May 08, 2022 @06:53AM (#31302950)
It seems froma banking perspective an address is more secure than most forms of identity. This makes sense as it is very hard (though not impossible) to pretend you live at an address that is not directly sympathetic to you for a long period of time.

So here HSBC seem to be saying - if you are working with a charity (ie. have a case worker), and that charity vouches for you, then we've done the dance that makes it less of an issue for the charity to help you with an address. but you still have an address; its just the charities' address.

This is a good solution for homelessness. Its hacky, it will miss people, but it is quick.

I expect the path to getting digital nomads a verifiable address via some kind of service will be a long one; and being able to bank without an address even longer.

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by ClumsyPilot on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:49AM (#31303208)
> It seems from a banking perspective an address is more secure than most forms of identity.

My Indentity card has chip and pin on it with my biometrix data. Some countries have cryptograpgic signatures in them.

You think addresses are secure? They are not even real. They are not a spesific location like GPS coordinates.

They are any written text that gets mailto you. An address of 'big yellow house' can be valid. The following 'address' was delivered:

“Lives across the road from the Spar, his ma and da used to own it, his mother was Mary and da Joseph, moved to Waterfoot after he got married, plays guitar and used to run discos in the parochial hall and the hotel in the 80s. Friends with the fella who runs the butchers in Waterfoot too.”'

https://static.guim.co.uk/images/favicon-32x32.ico

Postcards with 'England' can get delivered to the right person:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/christmas-card-addr...

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by dan-robertson on Sunday May 08, 2022 @10:25AM (#31304307)
For political reasons the U.K. (and US) are opposed to having identity cards so that isn’t really a workable solution. 8 think it’s also inaccurate to say that your address for the purposes of banking is ‘anything one can write on a letter to have the Royal Mail deliver it to you’. For example, you probably can’t give the address of a hotel where you’re staying.
Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Symbiote on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:02AM (#31304702)
They're also against having a population register.

Denmark has a population register ("CPR") [1], but does not have identity cards. It's required that you update your address in the register if you move house or emigrate.

Everyone also has a NemKonto ("EasyAccount"), which is a nominated bank account linked to the CPR (somehow) to receive payments from public institutions. That should make fraud of this type even more difficult.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Det_Centrale_Personregister

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by ghaff on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:04AM (#31304724)
It's probably more accurate to say that it's any residential address that, in the case of the US, is in the USPS address database. Though there are probably exceptions.
Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Nextgrid on Sunday May 08, 2022 @12:44PM (#31305668)
I don't understand the issue considering HMRC has a record of every taxpayer? Are these people who are against ID cards also not paying taxes?
Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Normal_gaussian on Sunday May 08, 2022 @01:27PM (#31306097)
As fun as those ways to address a postcard are, they are not addresses that the bank will accept. The bank checks against a database of valid addresses; this is a common problem for people that have just built a house - most companies used cached databases so refuse to accept your address until it has trickled down.
Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by ClumsyPilot on Sunday May 08, 2022 @02:04PM (#31306467)
Firstly, they have no authority to refuse - if I have just moved to a new address, the bank had a legal obligation to deliver my monthly statements, letters, etc. Their database is their problem, I have lived at new addresses and every serious institution has a way to manually enter abtirary address. You might get some nonsence from the customer service person and might have to speak to a manager to get it sorted, but if you show up with contract of purchase for a new house that states your address, they can't turn you away.

I have also been registered with several improtant institutions at an address that does not exist, because the telephone operator made a mistake - and the address was preposterous, they have put me in a house number 15000. So they don't check much.

Thirdly, addresses are not real. They are a myth, like simultanous events in special relativity, they do not exist in the real world but people who never had to deal with them much don't realise it.

What we call an address is a set of instructions to the postman, and if that set of instructions gets the post to your door, it is valid. Anyone paying attentions should have noticed that they often recieve post with slightly different permutations of their address. And ofcourse I have given a few silly examples. But there are genuene addresses that are unkowable. I lived in a building that spaned 3 streets, (one for each side, the last side was a house). It had 2 entances and 2 addresses.

There are addresses that are not a {street}{housenumber}, there are addresses that are a grid and no map software knows how to deal with them

And lastly there are houses that have no 'official' address! A lone hamlet near the coast might have no name at all.

So the only way to determine if an address is real, is to sent a letter, and to see if it arrives.

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by ghaff on Sunday May 08, 2022 @02:41PM (#31306833)
>A lone hamlet near the coast might have no name at all.

In the US, a lot of addressing was rationalized to support E911 service. So for example, a "camp" (i.e. a cabin without utilities) I would sometimes rent used to just have a name. But at some point it got an address on the dirt road it sits on. They also did things like change a road segment name if there was a gap between it and another segment with the same name.

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Nextgrid on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:20AM (#31303068)
> It seems froma banking perspective an address is more secure than most forms of identity.

I disagree, an address is trivially falsifiable compared to something like an ID or tax record (both of which the government can actually authenticate, and I'd expect/hope that financial institutions have a way to verify them that way).

The concept of a useless, trivially-falsifiable "proof of address" became a standard in the country so what the bank is doing here is merely covering their ass. As long as the entire country believes that "proof of address" is secure then they're in the clear - whether that stops any financial crime doesn't actually matter, especially when the government would rather focus on internet filters or endless gossiping about lockdown parties.

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Normal_gaussian on Sunday May 08, 2022 @01:40PM (#31306227)
The bank needs an address because they verify the address themselves. They literally send your card and sensitive info to it.

If you try and register 100s of cards to one address, they would notice. If you try and register to 100s of different addresses you can bet your backside that a majority of the residents would return to sender.

Before your address is verified your account has much more stringent fraud flags.

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Danieru on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:16AM (#31303051)
Plus those accounts are going to be locked rather quick if large amounts start getting wired in.

I imagine accounts setup to help the homeless would make poor money mules.

Sort of the inverse situation making corporate accounts hard to get in Japan. Such an account can receive large volumes of cash without raising red flags.

Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by Nextgrid on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:21AM (#31303074)
Unless the rules have been tightened since then, fintechs such as Revolut and Monzo (back when it was a prepaid card) used to open accounts instantly with no KYC with low limits (which they get raised when you pass KYC), so I wonder why they wouldn't just do the same and skip the KYC step altogether.
Re:No Fixed Address Bank Account by data_maan on Sunday May 08, 2022 @12:18PM (#31305424)
Is this still happening? I feel all fintechs use KYC now. Even other services, such as Airbnb, oddly have started to use KYC.