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Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by justinclift on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:09AM (#31302434)
Alternatively, some of us (well, me at least) view "in the office" work as a way to help achieve work/personal-life separation.

Saying this after many, many years of remote working, where the boundaries between work and personal life blurred so far they became practically indistinguishable. (yay 24/7 "DevOps" culture :/)

Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by coffeeblack on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:19AM (#31302472)
I close my work laptop and that’s it for the day. Simple.
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by vladvasiliu on Sunday May 08, 2022 @06:16AM (#31302744)
Exactly. I even use the same monitor and everything, but when I'm done for the day, the laptop goes in the drawer and whoever wants something from me will have to wait for the next business day.

I find the same kind of creep can happen at the office, too. Many colleagues end up leaving at 8 PM or later [0] because they have to do this one more thing or someone shows up with just a quick question to ask.

However, I realize that for some people, who have a harder time saying no for whatever reason, it's easier to have a hard, external excuse. "Sorry, I need to catch my train, so I don't have to sleep here" works less well when you're already home. But I think that in both cases it's very important to set boundaries and stick to them.

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[0] Our workdays are normally 9 AM to 6 PM.

Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by civilized on Sunday May 08, 2022 @09:53AM (#31303971)
Seriously! Why do people think that working remotely entitles their boss to 24/7 access? Come on, set some boundaries!
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by givemeethekeys on Sunday May 08, 2022 @06:12PM (#31308565)
They make the mistake of installing Slack on their phone.
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by civilized on Sunday May 08, 2022 @06:55PM (#31308802)
I wonder how many fully grown adult humans are walking around not knowing that they can silence push notifications of any and all types from any and all applications they wish. Their phones must be Hell on earth.
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by hurrrr on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:17AM (#31302467)
Remote work != Work from home
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by askonomm on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:13AM (#31302446)
And you can't achieve that with a co-working place? That's what I do. But I get to live in any city or country I want while earning the salary of any city/country I want.
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by justinclift on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:23AM (#31302486)
Sure, co-working places can achieve that too. But if you're living in the same city as a company office, then might as well use that. :)
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by askonomm on Monday May 09, 2022 @04:55AM (#31311940)
I've found that co-working even then is beneficial. There's usually a co-working closer to me than the office, so less commute, not to mention I don't like working in a place where a manager oversees everything I do, every break I take, etc. What if I get my required work done in half the time of my peers and then just chill around the office? That might be a problem in the office, not a problem in a co-working. I like some autonomy.
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by peoplefromibiza on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:50AM (#31302604)
a co-working is simply an office paid by you instead of the one the company paid for you.
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by askonomm on Monday May 09, 2022 @04:53AM (#31311935)
Actually in most cases the company pays for your co-working. At least that's my experience working for fully-remote or mostly-fully-remote companies.
Re:Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to retur... by peoplefromibiza on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @05:05PM (#31345751)
Sorry for being so late to answer.

That's still an office paid by your company, with all the benefits that go to the company.

The company I work for before opening a new office for their employer has to provide:

- security

- daily cleanings

- insurances for all the people working there

- reception

- authentication and authorization (badge readers etc.)

- secure connectivity and storage

- water, beverages, sometimes a cantine if the office is big enough.

That's by contract (at least my contract).

If they are really going through the route of paying for your coworking they should sign a contract, which means a lot of bureaucracy and most of all it would force the employer to always use the same space for at least a few years.

So the better way is to ask for a pay rise to pay it by yourself.

If you can pull it out.