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Re:Mygov is a ‘huge disappointment,’ key architect despairs by jillesvangurp on Friday May 06, 2022 @02:49AM (#31282059)
Sounds like a classic government IT project failure. They basically codified their internal Kafka-esk bureaucracy in UI form and projected their collective incompetence by insisting the project must be built exactly according to their (wrong & incoherent) requirements. I can imagine the long documents. This is classic waterfall. They would have insisted on that even. The project was doomed as soon as they started writing those documents.

So, they got exactly the thing they insisted on. And now they are blaming the consultants. Bureaucracies work like this: they are full of useless people defending their existence by participating in endless meetings that will find creative ways to deflect any form of responsibility and accountability. So, bonus points for meetings with consultants. The more expensive the better.

Pass it up the chain to the politicians who will be long gone by the time the whole thing blows up. They absolutely love that; do what the expensive consultant says. Which is of course echoing what they were told by the incompetent bureaucrats. The bigger the egos in the room, the dumber the plans get. Usually these projects start off fine and then some moron pulls rank and derails the whole thing by insisting on adding their own requirements to the pile. Big expensive projects attract that kind of behavior; it's almost inevitable. And then some politician signs off on it. Job well done.

The consultants bill by the hour so they don't mind the endless bullshit and they take notes. And then they do as they are told to take the money regardless of whether that makes any sense. There's almost no way for a happy end in such a situation. Don't blame the consultants; blame the career bureaucrats and the politicians for being absolute idiots, again. This outcome was 100% predictable 20 years ago.

Re:Mygov is a ‘huge disappointment,’ key architect despairs by angry_octet on Friday May 06, 2022 @07:16AM (#31283783)
Completely disagree. You've absorbed the right wing mantra that Government workers are bad and incompetent. Actually the politicians have stripped the public service bare, capping staff levels at absurdly low levels, because they get big donations from consultants (and cushy post-politics jobs), and they somehow avoid blame for failed projects but outsourcing.

The politicians promote the staff who tell them what they want to hear, and independent advice has been lost.

Re:Mygov is a ‘huge disappointment,’ key architect despairs by jillesvangurp on Friday May 06, 2022 @10:40AM (#31285689)
I actually consider myself a bit left of center; definitely very moderate. Certainly by any US standards (hint, I don't live anywhere close to there). So, I kind of resent the gratuitous labeling a bit.

This is a simple case of objectively government projects around the world failing over and over again for more or less the same reasons. There are quite many studies on that topic. Lots of nice articles that get written whenever another one fails. So, that's not a right wing mantra against big government but a nice argument that maybe they should try doing things differently. Especially considering that there are some well run countries with more success on this front. Quite a few of those countries are what you might label classic big government states. I lived in a few of them (Sweden, Finland, Netherlands). These three have had some duds but also some successes when it comes to government IT projects. Overall well run places.

Re:Mygov is a ‘huge disappointment,’ key architect despairs by angry_octet on Saturday May 07, 2022 @02:16AM (#31292545)
Even left leaning people have absorbed right wing economic thinking! Every economic think tank repeating the mantra that Government employees are fat overpaid bureaucrats that can't deliver projects.

All software projects are fraught with risk, but when no one takes responsibility for the outcome, and particularly when the people who generate requirements have no stake in its success, the probability of failure increases rapidly. The de-skilling of the public service in favour of advice from highly paid consultants, often the same ones who provide the services, means no impartial advice or trustable expertise, so governments can't be smart buyers.

Re:Mygov is a ‘huge disappointment,’ key architect despairs by gamelodge on Friday May 06, 2022 @06:23AM (#31283508)
Exactly this…

They are not willing to invest in quality dev/product/project managers instead they pay below market rates (see jobs on seek) yet there are endless budgets for consultants and outsourcing.

Re:Mygov is a ‘huge disappointment,’ key architect despairs by angry_octet on Friday May 06, 2022 @07:19AM (#31283811)
Government has frozen APS salaries for a decade, and refused to have pay rates based on specialist roles (except lawyers). They are capped in headcount so they can't tackle really big projects like myGov. In contrast, the Government has no cap on consultant spending.
Re:Mygov is a ‘huge disappointment,’ key architect despairs by PickledHotdog on Friday May 06, 2022 @12:31PM (#31287091)
That last part appears to be changing if there's a new government at the next election.