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Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by cjbgkagh on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @11:31AM (#31261894)
Were strict hierarchies really that bad?

It seems that just about anything else devolves into an ontological mess of Byzantine proportions. At one stage in my career I was reporting to 4 different bosses in this weird interleaved hypercube topology. I spent most of my time giving status updates

Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by derbOac on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @11:44AM (#31262084)
I do think more democratic, less hierarchical systems can work well if they're implemented in the right way. I saw a shift from that, where it was functioning well, to something more hierarchical and everything play out as this blog post is criticizing. It became really clear very quickly how aims shifted from more institutional mission-statement-type goals to promotion criteria and personal power agendas.

There's a limit I guess, but sometimes having multiple people to report to can lead to checks and balances.

Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by arethuza on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @11:45AM (#31262094)
I once had a similar situation and seriously contemplated building an application to manage my status updates so I could enter the raw data once and have all N people who needed to be updated sent the right information in the right way at the right time....
Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:32PM (#31262731)
This is a great idea!
Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by avianlyric on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @01:44PM (#31263585)
I think someone already built it… and called it Jira.
Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by svachalek on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:43PM (#31262843)
At least for performance reviews it's so much easier. If your boss hates you for some reason, that sucks, but you can just move on. It's a lot simpler than trying to please a dozen different people simultaneously though.
Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by banannaise on Thursday May 05, 2022 @10:11AM (#31273573)
I have a scrum master, a product owner, a tech lead, and a team manager. All four of those are management relationships, but only 1.5 are hierarchal (the manager and sort of the tech lead). The most effective and efficient relationships we have, IMO, are with the scrum master and product owner, who aren't above us in a hierarchy.

There's no inherent reason for management to be hierarchically superior. If you want productive relationships, you have to level the power dynamic more.

Re:The Google incentive mismatch: Problems with promotion-or... by trelane on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:28PM (#31262659)
Seems like if your boss is a receptacle for status updates, the company is doing management wrong. Sure, it works less bad with one, but that doesn't mean it's good.