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Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by klabb3 on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:06PM (#31251443)
> they work shockingly well

For what? (Correlations are interesting scientifically of course, but for everyone else?)

> No one cares about the ability to score well on IQ tests.

Except for Mensa and their applicants.

I don't mind IQ research. I do mind exclusive clubs for the sake of exclusivity, and especially those that are (supposedly and explicitly) genetically determined entry criteria. It smells bad.

Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by viraptor on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:27PM (#31251718)
Not quite genetically. You can train yourself in solving those puzzles. Although it undermines the whole idea of an IQ club for me.
Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by dirnctiwnsidj on Thursday May 05, 2022 @03:15PM (#31277356)
The measurement can be influenced by practice. The g factor—the thing IQ tests are designed to measure—appears to be immune to practice, though I am not sure how this was determined.

Similar tests, like the SAT and GRE, are designed to work even with practice. They have other problems.

Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by version_five on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:14PM (#31251557)
I don't mind research or clubs. If people want to have their own little puzzle club or whatever, that's entirely their right. And research into human intelligence is interesting wherever it goes.

What I'm skeptical of is applying stereotyping - and that's what this is, it's s predictive model that's based on averages, not the individual - to any kind of real decision that's any more weighty that letting you into a club. Like education decisions for example.

Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by PKop on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @03:27PM (#31252430)
Ok, but individuals can all take these and other tests no? It is not only stereotyped assumptions around group averages applied to individuals.

It is also aversion or even policy regulation against even giving tests and acting on the results towards individuals, as this entails inevitable discrimination when the natural and unavoidable hierarchy of human abilities is observed.

Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by brian_cloutier on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @06:28PM (#31254413)
> especially those that are (supposedly and explicitly) genetically determined entry criteria.

IQ is very much so not genetically determined. See for instance the flynn effect which is happening far too fast to be the result of genetics. IQ is only ~50% heritable.

Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by klabb3 on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @09:07PM (#31255636)
Yeah, hence "supposedly". The club's criteria is based on some form of largely immutable or hard to change personal trait. I can understand this in one way: as a support group. Highly intelligent people don't always have easy lives, especially when growing up. But if it was a support group, you'd have very little use for a test.
Re:IQ Test Made by Mensa Norway by netjiro on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @08:27AM (#31259494)
> I do mind exclusive clubs for the sake of exclusivity, and especially those that are (supposedly and explicitly) genetically determined entry criteria. It smells bad.

? what is your stance on, e.g., competitive sports teams ?