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Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by spullara on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @01:54PM (#31251307)
There is no possible way for someone just out of college to actually understand the tradeoffs. Young people have little to no experience with building a career or what it entails.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by tedivm on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:14PM (#31251559)
Frankly neither do most old people- the number of older folks who still think you can show up to a business with a resume and get a job at the start of your career are out of their mind.

I've been working in this industry for 17 years now, and only five of that was in an office. I make an obscene amount of money, so it's not like this has harmed me. The idea that the kids need to suffer through an office so they know what it'll do to their career is about as out of date as the resume advice above.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by listless on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:20PM (#31251634)
Working remotely is career limiting. Period. I’m saying that as a remote worker. I would not recommend that you get into full time remote work until you’ve decided you are OK with no significant career advancement.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by smeej on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:33PM (#31251794)
Trying to force my neuro-divergent brain to work in an office setting where I'm surrounded by noisy people (any people, really), lights that may flicker, and temperatures I can't control is going to limit my career a lot more than failing to have serendipitous conversations in a hallway.

What works for you may not be what works for everybody, and that's the point.

It could be that remote work would have limited your career advancement.

For me, it's the only reason I can have a career at all.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by passivate on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @03:21PM (#31252355)
>What works for you may not be what works for everybody, and that's the point.

Instead of making it personal, lets make it general. According to you how many people have a problem working in the office for the reasons you listed?

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by smeej on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @05:15PM (#31253677)
What difference does it make whether their reasons are the same as mine or different from them?
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by passivate on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @06:48PM (#31254573)
You're right it wouldn't matter. I think I had a brain fart here. What I wanted to say was the thing with 'everybody has a point of view' is that not all points of view are equally represented in the population. I'm not going to dismiss the viewpoint of the people who do like coming in to work, if one person hates it. It would be nice to accommodate everyone's individual preferences in every situation, but realistically you can't make everyone happy if they're outside of whatever standard deviation a workplace can manage.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by onion2k on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:34PM (#31251806)
I would not recommend that you get into full time remote work until you’ve decided you are OK with no significant career advancement.

I think I'd agree with you unless something crazy happened, like a global pandemic that completely shifted the way companies think and made them massively more likely to recruit remote workers.

If that happened then you'd have to be daft to think it wouldn't change anything.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by lghh on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:31PM (#31251767)
I have significantly advanced my career working remote full time. You sound like you personally have been unable to advance your career and instead of being introspective about it are blaming it on remote work as a concept. Period.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by birdyrooster on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:49PM (#31251986)
You are the exception that proves the rule.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by thelittleone on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:52PM (#31252032)
I got promoted twice in 6 months having never been to the office. 100% fully remote. Without distraction of meeting everyone around the office I spent more time on results and selective 1:1 zoom calls.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by tedivm on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @07:44PM (#31255067)
This is just wrong- it is completely and utterly wrong. "No significant career advancement" yet my career has progressed pretty damn well, as have my colleagues.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by danaris on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:05PM (#31251429)
There is no possible way for you—or any of us, at this present moment—to know just how those tradeoffs and the shape of work will be changed over the next few decades by this pandemic, its aftershocks, and the new understanding we have all gained of just what is really possible with remote work.

The idea that because you've been working for a decade or two and know how things were before the pandemic, these poor, dumb college kids should just listen to you and let you tell them that everything has always been this way and always will be this way just doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by Grustaf on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:12PM (#31251523)
They should just accept that they voluntarily joined a company that has always been very skewed towards in office work.
Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by EricE on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:28PM (#31251725)
lol - the pandemic isn't permanent. It was a great force to help force normalization of remote work at organizations that otherwise would have never embraced it - but thinking that all companies are going to suddenly change their corporate culture because of a couple year event is laughable.

Maybe Apple will loose enough talent over time to where their corp culture will have to adapt. I doubt it. Wouldn't mind if I'm wrong (I think at least having the option for at least some remote work is overall very healthy overall), but I'm not holding my breath.

Re:Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open l... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:06PM (#31251445)
We can just generalize this to "you don't know what you don't know". It's not like HN has any shortage of late career professionals peddling asinine takes on things they just don't have the subject matter experience in or have out of date info.