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Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by elric on Saturday April 30, 2022 @05:48AM (#31214677)
"Hilarious" is not the word I'd use. "Dispiriting", "Irresponsible", "Fucked up".

I don't understand why we aren't pouring massive amounts of money into public transport. Apparently many people in Western Europe seem to enjoy being stuck in traffic for hours every day. For some reason, company cars are still a thing in Belgium, very nearly everyone working in IT gets one. I can't wrap my head around how stupid this is.

Not only does there seem to be no sense of urgency, there doesn't seem to be much interest in doing anything at all..

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by consp on Saturday April 30, 2022 @06:02AM (#31214734)
> I can't wrap my head around how stupid this is.

Same as in the Netherlands: It's a cost/tax dodge. Looks like you get 500-800 euro/month in car but it actually only costs about 200 to the company and the company doesn't have to pay a significant amount of taxes over it. Scrap that advantage and it will quickly go away.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by halfdan on Saturday April 30, 2022 @07:10AM (#31215064)
Public transport hasn't solved the problem of "the last mile". How do I get to/from the train station/bus stop? Frequently you still need a car to even get there and then you will need parking - which is often limited and costs a lot.

Then there's timeliness. Deutsche Bahn is known for frequently their trains are delayed. In summer, even on the Intercity connections (IC, ICE) trains will be filled to the brim and air conditioning unavailable.

I love trains. I want to use public transport. It's just so goddamn inefficient.

I live in a small town about 70km north of Frankfurt am Main. A lot of people will commute daily from here to Frankfurt. The drive is 45 minutes to 70 minutes depending on traffic. If I were to take a train I could: - Walk to the bus station (5 minutes) - Take a bus to the train station (25 minutes) - Take the train to Frankfurt (60 minutes) - Take the metro to the closest location for my office (10 minutes) - Walk into the office (5 minutes)

The time given is assuming no delays, and a schedule that matches up perfectly. Realistically you'll lose another 30 minutes just standing around on platforms.

Ultimately the whole trip, even with a daily ticket will already cost you double your fuel costs for the same ride while sacrificing air condition, quiet and comfort.

We need better solutions for a lot of things. I loved seeing how Oxford in the UK has massive parking lots outside the city center with free buses connecting you to the city. It means that people can take the highway to the city but not get stuck in city traffic.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by distances on Saturday April 30, 2022 @07:20AM (#31215122)
Major part of the problem is working 70 kilometers away. Before cars you would basically just live pretty close to your place of work. I think that's how it should still be, but don't see any realistic way for societies to encourage that beyond building denser cities where every new residential area comes with rail transport from the get-go.
Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by ryukafalz on Saturday April 30, 2022 @08:13AM (#31215437)
Bikes are great for solving transit’s last-mile problem provided it’s at all close to the last mile and not, say, the last 15. E-bikes especially so.

Beyond that, yes, transit schedules need to be frequent and reliable, with frequency especially being important if you have to make lots of transfers. It’s no big deal if you miss your train if another one will be there in a few minutes; if you have to wait 15-30 though, a slight delay can be a problem. For buses, giving them their own right-of-way is important.

Long-term though, as another commenter mentioned, we need to enable more people to live closer to work. I’m not sure what much of Germany is like (have only visited Berlin and Munich) but in the US we have a ton of sprawling suburbs because it’s not legal to build anything denser than single-family homes in most places here. Especially those places that already have good transit connections need to densify, and then the places nearest them need to do the same and build good transit connections.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by elevaet on Saturday April 30, 2022 @10:32AM (#31216360)
Bikes are great for the last-10-mile problem, easily. I've got plenty of friends who cycle commute 15km+ each direction, each day, and are quite happy (and healthy) doing it.
Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by ryukafalz on Saturday April 30, 2022 @05:38PM (#31219630)
That may be practical if it’s the entirety of your commute, but it’s less practical if you then have 70 minutes of riding the train immediately afterwards, right? I’m talking bikes as a response to transit’s last-mile problem.

Maybe e-bikes do change the calculus a bit there too though.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by elevaet on Sunday May 01, 2022 @02:04AM (#31222610)
Many places have spots for bicycles on the trains, and mass guarded bike parking at train stations. Helps a bit with this last mile problem.

Ebikes really extend the range

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by jokoon on Saturday April 30, 2022 @07:28AM (#31215163)
1. Climate requires that we make some compromise

2. If we used cars less, there is a good chance public transport would have less of those issues you're talking about. It's a vicious circle. Urban planning has been favoring cars for a long time.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by sofixa on Saturday April 30, 2022 @08:15AM (#31215449)
> How do I get to/from the train station/bus stop?

By foot, bike, trotinette. If it's too far, that isn't good public transit and/or you live too far.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by pimlottc on Saturday April 30, 2022 @08:33AM (#31215558)
> trotinette

I believe we call that a scooter in English. Had to look it up.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by sofixa on Saturday April 30, 2022 @09:10AM (#31215804)
For me a scooter is a small bike ( moped in American i think?).
Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by pimlottc on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @12:08PM (#31250006)
It used to commonly be that in the US before those Razor push scooters, and then electric scooters, became a thing.
Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by Bolkan on Saturday April 30, 2022 @07:39AM (#31215235)
> How do I get to/from the train station/bus stop?

Having good public transportation would mean having a bus stop within 100m of every house.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by netsharc on Saturday April 30, 2022 @09:09AM (#31215795)
I used to live 700 meters away from the subway, there's also a bus stop 100m away from where I lived. The bus came less frequently than the subway, so I got a rickety old bike if I want to go the 700 meters faster. The whole way there's a bike path on the sidewalk, separated by a wide strip of grass/trees from the street.
Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by cdiddy2 on Saturday April 30, 2022 @11:15AM (#31216666)
In the US we can and do throw money it but we don't get anything from it. Costs just balloon and scare anyone else from trying it.

https://www.constructiondive.com/news/california-high-speed-...

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by jokoon on Saturday April 30, 2022 @09:17AM (#31215867)
> I don't understand why we aren't pouring massive amounts of money into public transport.

Because it would be seen as a socialist measure.

Re:Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under i... by elric on Sunday May 01, 2022 @02:39PM (#31227514)
That might be a valid explanation in the US, but it's hardly the case in the rest of the world ...