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Re:Is everything falling apart? by UncleOxidant on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:03PM (#31207780)
> Journalism was a tawdry, un-respectable business since its conception, but experienced a brief period of valor around the mid-twentieth century

And it wasn't just journalism. After WWII many veterans took advantage of the free education offered by the GI Bill. That gave us a lot of highly educated people (with no student loan debt to worry about!) who then went on to use that education to improve things. Couple this with the recent memory of fascism in Europe and The Civil Rights movement and we had sort of a golden era. We were able to live off the fumes of that era until right around the end of the 20th century. You could say that in a sense things are just returning back to a more normal state of affairs and this seems painful because many of us lived through an era that was unusually good.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by treis on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:10PM (#31207875)
I always wonder about people that post things so divorced from reality. We have five times as many college grads today as we did in 1960:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/184260/educational-attai...

Re:Is everything falling apart? by UncleOxidant on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:27PM (#31208161)
I added the clause: "With no student loan debt to worry about!" above. That's an important aspect, I think. They could afford to get degrees in subjects that may not have paid all that well (teaching, for example) where as now people have to consider how they're going to pay back that debt and choose degrees in fields that will enable them to do so.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by techsupporter on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:51PM (#31208520)
> They could afford to get degrees in subjects that may not have paid all that well (teaching, for example)

I also wonder how much of that growth is from high school students being told to go to college above all else, and how this graduation increase corresponds to enrollment and graduation from vocational schools.

I do think your point is the big one: people could go into college and come out with knowledge in the so-called soft skills, like philosophy or literature (areas that don't pay well but are vital for a society to understand itself, if nothing else). Why society doesn't value teaching and similar jobs as much as it does other industries is left as a debate for another time.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by treis on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:20PM (#31210696)
Still more debt free graduates today than total graduates in the 50s/60s.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by hn_version_0023 on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:46PM (#31208465)
It isn’t obvious from your link… what % of current grads are “business majors” who don’t really know anything other than how to be greedy and justify it with fancy PowerPoint slide decks?

The number of grads may have gone way up, but I think the education itself had slid down the slippery slope to create too many administrators and bureaucrats.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by relaxing on Friday April 29, 2022 @03:06PM (#31209393)
You’re right that the business major has metastasized, while the education major has shrunk.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/05/09/310114739/what...

Re:Is everything falling apart? by noplsbecivil on Friday April 29, 2022 @02:38PM (#31209070)
"don’t really know anything other than how to be greedy" - this is a pretty bad faith take, and also simply not true. In the US at least, business grads typically take accounting courses, marketing courses, even statistics courses. All of those skills lead to jobs that can provide both societal and economic value.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by hn_version_0023 on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:11PM (#31210627)
My personal experience says otherwise, but I’ll concede that accounting does have value.

Marketing? Well, we can disagree there — to me marketing is making a science out of “parting fools with their money”, so to speak. It’s always felt fundamentally dishonest and a little dirty. But again, thats me and I am definitely biased.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by subsubzero on Friday April 29, 2022 @03:11PM (#31209457)
Maybe the problem now is we have too many college educated people and not enough high paying jobs to offset the cost of those people's education costs. Leading to #1 people working terrible jobs they were not educated for, #2 leaving these same people with a huge boulder of student loan debt that is hard to be paid off due to #1. Its a classic problem of supply and demand. In addition people's degree choices do not reflect the markets needs, way too many people went into communication/sociology/LA stuff than what the market wants which are STEM.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by derbOac on Saturday April 30, 2022 @02:08AM (#31213774)
IMHO I think part of the problem is that there's been a shift in how degrees are interpreted. It used to be someone wasn't equated with their degree so closely, like a branding. The idea of a liberal arts degree was not to be unknowledgeable about STEM, but diversified.

Now you have automated HR depts and someone is equated with their degree one way or another. It's not really that different from ads for knowledge of particular programming library, when the potential hire clearly could pick it up in a week based on their other experiences.

This isn't all of it of course but I do think people tend to be treated as objects, no more or less than their degrees or certifications to a greater extent than the past. It's the dark side of meritocracy in my opinion, which is a horrendous mislabel.

Sometimes I feel as if we live in a world of formalized stereotyping, where the stereotypes have shifted from race and sex to some extent, to political, employment, and degree stereotypes.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by relaxing on Friday April 29, 2022 @02:56PM (#31209261)
But the claim wasnt that there aren’t more college grads now, and there’s no need for the ad hominem first sentence.