Also honestly it's very toxic to anybody right of center. It's the type that says "we're so accepting" when really they only are of certain stuff. Lots of pronoun people and making the mascot "non binary" is needlessly shoving their ideology down people's throat. Not a problem in the U.S. because it fits with the corporate woke ideology but sure as hell gonna be if they want more worldwide community.

It's also way too hugboxxy and tbh that feels just as toxic some times as the alternative. Positivity to the point where it's obviously fake and forced and insincere.

Edit: howinteresting I can't reply to your comment but you are proving my point. At least you people are being more honest that it is intended to exclude a bunch of people.

As someone who both loves the Rust language and is very right of center, I've never found politics to pose much of a problem for the Rust community in practice. Yes there is occasional virtue signalling here and there but people don't let it get in the way of making programs that work.

Yeah, as someone who's gay and left-wing but equally irritated by the 'virtue signalling' stuff (my ideology is basically r/stupidpol), I don't find the Rust community too bad.

(FWIW, I appreciate your open-mindedness. I think that's the main thing I find objectionable on (parts of) both sides of the aisle: an inability to regard those who disagree as fundamentally well-intentioned human beings who happen to hold different beliefs.)

"pronoun people"

What, you cant handle queer people existing?

> Their comment is about the (almost universally straight) people who demand to be called 'xe' or 'qwerty' or whatever.

The vast majority of people I’ve seen using neopronouns, or “it” or “they” pronouns (either exclusively or alternatively with classical gendered pronouns, e.g., “she/they”) have nonbinary gender identity or agender identity, and the vast majority of the exceptions are trans, and all the rest (i.e., the cisgender ones) I’ve encountered are one of bisexual, pansexual, asexual, or same-gender attracted, usually also with gender non-conforming presentation.

I have yet to encounter a cisgender heterosexual with nontraditional pronouns for their gender, though I am sure there are some somewhere doing it.

> The vast majority of people I’ve seen using neopronouns, or “it” or “they” pronouns (either exclusively or alternatively with classical gendered pronouns, e.g., “she/they”) have nonbinary gender identity or agender identity, and the vast majority of the exceptions are trans, and all the rest (i.e., the cisgender ones) I’ve encountered are one of bisexual, pansexual, asexual, or same-gender attracted, usually also with gender non-conforming presentation.

Yes, I'm talking about sexuality, not gender. Most of the people I know, and/or have met, who identify as 'xe' and suchlike, are straight and usually cis (in the sense of 'not actually trans' - they do often have 'gender identities' like 'genderqueer' which amount to 'I wear heels sometimes').

It's predominantly - in my experience - straight people who covet the counter-cultural aspect of being 'queer', but who face the small problem of not actually being gay or trans or anything else, which is easily remedied by adopting one of those slightly-meaningless 'gender identities' which uniformly amount to 'I'm a teeny bit [masc/femme] sometimes'.

(I literally had a conversation with someone once who argued that watching porn didn't mean they weren't asexual. They also happened to be in a long marriage with a husband they no longer slept with, though they once had. It took all my strength not to say "lady, you're not asexual or queer, you're just a bored housewife in a dead marriage".)

There's still a lot of people out there who consider 'they/them' to be nonstandard when used for a specific person (as opposed to 'they/them' as a replacement for the generic 'he'; almost everybody opposed to that has come around or died).

Yeah, I should have clarified that I don’t consider that non-standard. Well, it’s semi-standard, I suppose. But yeah, I had in mind the ones more like ‘xe’ and ‘xer’.

I know many trans people who use nonstandard pronouns like xe, ze or it.

Sorry, that's true, I didn't mean that literally no trans people (or gay people, black people, etc) use non-standard pronouns. I meant that it has nothing to do with their being gay or trans. Certainly some people may happen to be trans and also happen to use those pronouns.

I hope they are not expecting normal people to use these silly words.

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