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Re:Is everything falling apart? by micromacrofoot on Friday April 29, 2022 @09:59AM (#31205170)
this saying is often used to demean men that don't fit a very narrow definition of "strong"
Re:Is everything falling apart? by nkingsy on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:15AM (#31205408)
Y’all are taking it way too literally.

I take it as hard times make it clear what’s important and inspire people to work towards that.

In good times people forget.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by paulryanrogers on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:55AM (#31205973)
Perhaps the language has evolved to the point that the work needs some translation. Because it strikes me as vague enough to be harmful with folks like Putin aspiring to embody "strong men".
Re:Is everything falling apart? by Izkata on Friday April 29, 2022 @11:16AM (#31206231)
> aspiring to embody

Take note of your own phrasing: it automatically excludes him from that group.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by paulryanrogers on Friday April 29, 2022 @11:35AM (#31206502)
The point is I was trying to be neutral. Because depending on who you ask Putin is the definition of true "strong men" or he's a tyrant desecrating the phrase.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by rank0 on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:10AM (#31205336)
It’s a comment about the cyclical nature of prosperity. It’s not an attack on the non masculine.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by micromacrofoot on Friday April 29, 2022 @01:40PM (#31208393)
I'm saying that right-wing authoritarians often use it as an attack on people they deem as not traditionally masculine, despite the original intention. It's used frequently enough that some people might mistake association.

Search for this saying on twitter, for example. It's been co-opted as fascist propaganda.