Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights

Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by throwaway82652 on Friday April 29, 2022 @09:26AM (#31204782)

Paying devs and designers to do what? Testing for what? To make a product more profitable so you can further grow the foundation? If it's not doing social outreach or otherwise fulfilling the social mission of the nonprofit then I hope you understand it falls in that category and they can't legally do that, go to any of the member companies if you want that. When these nonprofits hire actual engineers and designers it's usually only on a contract basis to fix very specific problems that have to do with social issues around the project. It's otherwise hard for them to justify hiring staff to do that.

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by tedivm on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:00AM (#31205180)

I wish you were wrong. I just looked this up out of curiousity, and Gnome themselves had their charity status denied by the IRS for this reason-

> You have a substantial nonexempt purpose because you develop software published under open source compatible licenses that authorize use by any person for any purpose, including nonexempt purposes such as commercial, recreational, or personal purposes, including campaign intervention and lobbying.

> Mere publishing under open source licenses for all to use does not show that the poor and underprivileged actually use the Tools. ? You do not limit your distribution and do not know who uses the Tools much less if they use them for artistic purposes. ? you do not know who uses the Tools much less what kind of content they create with the Tools.

That said it should be clear here that this was explicitly for a charity, not just a non profit, but even still it's pretty messed up.

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by throwaway82652 on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:30AM (#31205629)

I don't think it's that messed up. If you really want to make something that qualifies as a charity (or a for-profit business) then you can just do that separately. The existence of this foundation doesn't get in the way, they're a home for the trademarks and a few other things but otherwise they don't have much bearing on what you would do.

But there are some people at the foundation who would make it their goal to hire more developers, if the funding was there, it currently isn't.

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by nerdponx on Saturday April 30, 2022 @11:21AM (#31216700)

That reasoning is like denying charity status to a church thrift store because they don't do income verification at the door, to ensure that only poor customers are allowed to shop there.

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by throwaway82652 on Saturday April 30, 2022 @02:16PM (#31217968)

No, it's not even close to that. Analogies aren't that good of a tool to use here.

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by yencabulator on Friday April 29, 2022 @04:25PM (#31210193)

Uhh, the Linux Foundation is a non-profit that sponsors people to work on Linux the kernel. How's that possible then?

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by throwaway82652 on Friday April 29, 2022 @04:32PM (#31210263)

That's an extremely small percentage, most Linux developers aren't sponsored by the Linux Foundation. The majority of their expenses go towards events and training.

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by yencabulator on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:46PM (#31210919)

So you're saying it's a question of the threshold of "substantial". Okay, I can believe that.

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Re:Gnome patent troll stripped of patent rights by throwaway82652 on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:00PM (#31211063)

Not really, the question is how the organization is classified. Linux Foundation is a 501(c)(6) so they can sponsor some people but it's only for the purposes of furthering "common business interests" and not for profit.

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