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Re:We need someone who has done “it” before by hhmc on Thursday April 28, 2022 @12:30PM (#31194632)
Defining "It" to be shipping software feels so broad as to be useless.

In perticular, you're not working in the same semantic framework as GP, who was talking about "It+1", "It+2" and so on

Re:We need someone who has done “it” before by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:07PM (#31195086)
Actually, no.

It has been my experience that actually delivering, working, high-Quality, supported, documented software (regardless of what the software does), within a reasonable period of time, is beyond the capabilities of many corporations.

I suspect that some folks make money by convincing others to invest, then hightailing it, before the chickens come home to roost, as opposed to actually selling a finished and supported product to end-users. In that case, looking like a "shipper," is much more important than actually being one.

Re:We need someone who has done “it” before by hhmc on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:31PM (#31195456)
I'm thrilled for you, that you're so good at delivering software. But this feels really besides the actual points being made here.
Re:We need someone who has done “it” before by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:26PM (#31196277)
"It," "It+1," "It+2," etc. can definitely be delivering software.

But that's just one "It" on the continuum. It could also be grant-writing, selling, managing, singing, shredding guitar, racing minibikes, whatever.

In any given case, there's always some threshold of what an "effective It" is. It may not be a clear-cut line. For example, research is very "fuzzy," and a researcher that can do "It," may be excellent at failure, because their job is to poke holes in theories.

In fact, if the company is all about getting A-round funding, then folding up the card tables, and moving on, someone that "looks like a shipper" could be an effective "It."

Re:We need someone who has done “it” before by jdlshore on Thursday April 28, 2022 @03:58PM (#31197460)
Complete agreement—soup-to-nuts delivery of software for a particular ecosystem (Apple in this case) is definitely an "it" I can imagine companies hiring for.