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Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kd913 on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:28AM (#31155317)
>The ONLY way to solve the toxic nature of Twitter is to enforce a)a real name policy, and b)fully verified[1] identities for all users/bots (opt-in, where others by default filter out non-verified accounts in their feeds)

I'm gonna call nonsense on this. Practically every social media platform that forces real identities are cesspits because of the real name policy. Largely because of the soap box celebrities/influencers who shill their views and monetize their followers.

I prefer reddit/HN a thousand times over the garbage of twitter/FB/etc..

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by bryanlarsen on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:03AM (#31155869)
The reason why reddit/HN are a thousand times better than twitter/FB is because they are heavily moderated, not because they don't have a real names policy.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kd913 on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:15AM (#31156036)
The lack of real names enables people to give honest opinions.

The lack of real names, and shitty games prevents influences and garbage celebrity monetizations.

I haven't seen a Cambridge Analytica style event happen on reddit. That happened brazenly in the open, and still happens today on Facebook/Twitter to subvert democratic processes (e.g. Brazil, India, US, UK).

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by ethbr0 on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:56AM (#31155752)
Anonymous speech works... until it doesn't. And it doesn't at scale. At that point, you require active moderation by admins and/or users to keep an semblance of usefulness.

The best of reddit and HN can only exist because they're niche subcommunities.

We should be under no illusions what would happen to HN if 5% of YouTube commenters showed up tomorrow.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by baq on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:33AM (#31156317)
> The best of reddit and HN can only exist because they're niche subcommunities.

disagree. it's about - and has always been since the first usenet message - moderation. lots of free speech absolutists confuse moderation with censorship and Elon will learn the difference with sweat, blood and tears if he doesn't know it already (note: I can hardly imagine why he wouldn't know it).

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by raxxorraxor on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:00AM (#31155823)
I think it is working quite well and is preferable. Depends on the community and I am not a Twitter user. But the problems began with social networks, not with anonymity, even at great scales.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by JacobThreeThree on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:48AM (#31156551)
>Anonymous speech works... until it doesn't. And it doesn't at scale.

It's not a question of scale, it's a question of culture. Also, Reddit and HN do have active moderation.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kd913 on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:04AM (#31155883)
Reddit isn't a niche subcommunity. It has 430 million monthly active users.

Yea you get toxic, cancerous, illegal subcommunities etc... On the whole though I am happy with the upvote, downvote curation compared with the algorithmic trash provided by FB. Even before reddit went overly filtering for advertisement purposes, I was happier on Reddit/Digg than the trash that came aftewrards.

In my opinion, humanity would be significantly better off without Twitter/Facebook.

I have seen death threats, anti-vaccer junk, brexit/trump/le Pen, Cambridge Analytica style election manipulation (including for Bolsonaro and Modi), the Myanmar genocide and human trafficking on a massive scale via FB/twitter.

I remember being pitched specifically about several cases of groups/companies using Facebook/Twitter to subvert democratic processes via selective targeted propaganda.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by MisterBastahrd on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:19AM (#31156098)
Subreddits are niche subcommunities.

Nobody subscribes to all of Reddit.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kd913 on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:22AM (#31156146)
Youtube are a niche collection of youtubers.

Nobody subscribes to every Youtube channel.

So what is your point?

It's a model that work and scales to half a billion users per month.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by MisterBastahrd on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:30AM (#31156265)
Youtube's moderators are youtube employees.

Reddit's moderators are volunteers with iron fists who only police tiny sections of reddit. Admins get involved in TOS violations, not direct moderation.

Your comparison makes no sense.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kd913 on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:39AM (#31156397)
> Youtube's moderators are youtube employees.

What moderation? For what are you talking about? From what I gather they predominantly rely on automatic filtering, with barely any human filtering. They don't even moderate some of their largest channels.

E.g.

LinusTechTips complaining about spam junk and community fed solutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo_uoFI1WXM

MarquesBrownLee doing the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cw-vODp-8Y

Reddit does the same broad stroke in that yea they have broad generic spam/bot detection, and also rely on reporting moderation and community driven tool. They already operate in a similar/better model than youtube.

The original argument was that Reddit/HN couldn't handle 5% of Youtube community and I am calling nonsense to that.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by JacobThreeThree on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:50AM (#31156572)
>Admins get involved in TOS violations, not direct moderation.

That's false, admins do get involved in direct moderation, and Reddit has a whole team of admins (Reddit employees).

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by causi on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:36AM (#31155440)
Yeah, it's easier to ignore racist tirades and death threats when they come from xX_BonerLord420_Xx. Frankly I'd enjoy a platform that outright banned the use or disclosure of real names.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by mrtranscendence on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:42AM (#31155536)
On the other hand, if someone is giving you death threats and you're afraid they're credible, a real-name policy gives you someone to report.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kd913 on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:44AM (#31155583)
Sure, but that is why you aren't supposed to use a username tied to your real world identity.

In that case, why would you care about the threats exactly?

The threats caused by people like Trump, Joe Rogan, Musk, Russian bot farms, Farage, Le Pen etc... and their toxic ignorant views on Vaccines, climate change are far far worse to society than some vague inactionable death threats.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by geodel on Monday April 25, 2022 @01:27PM (#31158028)
Well, that's just your opinion. If you do not like them block and move on. But yea, it is not likely that anyone of them would be following you.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kd913 on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:18PM (#31158683)
It is my opinion. The beauty of my comment is it either holds or it doesn't in absence of my identity. I don't care if anyone follows me or not because I am not a vapid shallow person.

The community decides in absence of who is saying whether my words have merit.

If it doesn't, I have a healthy ability to toss my entire account and walk away.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by silvestrov on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:34AM (#31156341)
You assume a "real name" is a unique identifier (or almost unique).

In some countries a lot of people share the same full name.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by causi on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:51AM (#31156597)
Have you ever had productive results from reporting harassment and threats? I haven't. I know people who've been stalked for years with the police having full knowledge of their identity and behavior without prosecuting them.