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Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:52AM (#31154734)
"hate speech isn't even illegal. "

Well, in US there are certainly attempts to make it so. There is definitely framework in place and there is the mores. The time seems ripe too given how people seem afraid of what people might say if you let them.

There are definitely hate speech laws in other countries.

For the record, I am sympathetic to your stance, but I am not sure it is accurate.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:58AM (#31154816)
My stance is "these people don't know what they're talking about".

I'm not actually American, but my understanding is that there have been prior attempts, especially in some US states, to make hate speech illegal, but each time it just gets knocked down because it violates that pesky first amendment.

The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that most of what would qualify as hate speech in other western countries is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_Stat...

Now, if you're saying "All twitter should just follow the laws of the country", now you've got to decide which country?, because most Twitter users are not in the US, and Twitter operatates - has business entities and employees - in other countries apart from US.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kmonsen on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:04AM (#31154921)
Really, what are the attempts to make hate speech illegal in the U.S.? That would come up against the first amendment really quick. New constitutional amendments are unlikely to succeed in todays polarized political environment.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:24AM (#31155249)
Hmm.

You pose an interesting question and I might not have sufficient information to give you a full picture, but I might try to show a glimpse of what I think may be happening.

Someone somewhere decided it may be a good idea to expand existing framework ( hate crimes[1] ), which was relatively easily adopted in America due to historical ( slavery ) and political factors ( combating racism ).

[1] https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/laws-and-policies

With that in mind, the first step is saturating the media with opinions indicating some sort of support for a policy/law change ( in this case hate speech - links with sample articles follow - note how old some of those are ):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/29/why-ameri...

https://newint.org/sections/argument/2012/12/01/is-hate-spee...

https://www.ihrb.org/news-events/press-centre/the-challenge-...

https://theconversation.com/the-idolization-of-free-speech-i...

Once the population is sufficiently primed, one can run it through congress. It is not a weekend project.

Note that it is exactly the same pattern with encryption battles, but at least that one has clear originators ( usually three letter agencies ).

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kmonsen on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:36PM (#31157262)
Whatever efforts are happening here will be shut down by the courts unless they managed to do something about the first amendment. I am not saying these efforts are good or bad, just that they are (I guess in my opinion) extremely unlikely to succeed.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by bitwize on Monday April 25, 2022 @01:18PM (#31157917)
That would come up against the interpretation of the First Amendment espoused by the Supreme Court in 1969, in the case Brandenburg v. Ohio. Before then, the First Amendment was not interpreted nearly so broadly, and speech regulations at the federal and state levels were common, beginning with the Alien and Sedition Acts soon after the Constitution was ratified.

If/when the Democrats restructure the Supreme Court to have a liberal majority, overturning Brandenburg with a single ruling becomes on the table, and the door is open for hate speech legislation.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kmonsen on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:17PM (#31160007)
First part I agree with. The second part, maybe I guess? But that is, if ever, decades away so we can worry about that when it becomes a realistic prospect.

I don't think any of the current sitting life time appointed supreme court justices have expressed any will at overturning that decision.