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Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by marcusverus on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:03PM (#31149437)
> I bet it tracks directly with the gutting of the middle class starting in the 70's

This belief is oddly common, considering it has no basis in reality. The share of adults living in households with sub-middle-class incomes has only grown by 4% since 1971.[0] The share of adults living in upper-class households grew by more (5%)! And this even as the number of single-adult households has soared[1], reducing the average number of earners per household!

[0]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/06/the-america... [1]https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2011/12/14/barely-...

Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by ALittleLight on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:33AM (#31151257)
The portion of double income households more than doubled between 1960 and today[1]. The middle class is working more because they want to, or because they need to? Purchasing power for the average worker is flat[2]. In some sense, it's like the middle class has been working for fifty years without a raise, only now two people in the household need to work. That fewer people are getting married or having kids is likely not because human nature shifted in the past few decades, but probably because their lives are not going well or developing properly.

1 - https://www.pewresearch.org/ft_dual-income-households-1960-2... 2 - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us...

Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by kortilla on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:46AM (#31152352)
> Purchasing power for the average worker is flat[2]. In some sense, it's like the middle class has been working for fifty years without a raise, only now two people in the household need to work

That “flat” wage is accounting for inflation according to your own link. So not only would a single earner be doing just as good today as back then, adding a second income means they are raking in twice the spending power as back then.

The only thing that has changed are expectations. People want way bigger houses, nicer cars, computers, smart phones, more meat, dental care, better medical care, etc. Worst of all (from a financial perspective), they want both of their average kids to spend 4 years at an expensive university.

Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by jjav on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:17PM (#31159998)
> Worst of all (from a financial perspective), they want both of their average kids to spend 4 years at an expensive university.

Expensive only because it's been allowed to become expensive. Decades ago it was normal for a good university to be nearly free or at least quite affordably by the student working part time to pay their way.

> dental care, better medical care

People "want" health care. I mean of course, but it's not a whim, it's a basic necessity. Which like the university, was very affordable to nearly everyone decades ago.

Not sure people want bigger houses either, every housing topic on HN is full of desire for smaller apartments to get built.

Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by rsanek on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:43PM (#31176055)
> Decades ago it was normal for a good university to be nearly free or at least quite affordably by the student working part time to pay their way.

Here's a few graphs that show this more explicitly: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gregschoofs/how-much-co...

Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by jjav on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:08AM (#31176856)
Indeed. Even as late as the early 90s, my summer internships (not at minimum wage, but still just intern pay) was almost enough to pay for a year of tuition at CMU, an expensive top university.
Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by marcusverus on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:54AM (#31153749)
> The portion of double income households more than doubled between 1960 and today[1].

Your data only represents "married couples with children under 18"--a (shrinking) minority of households. By definition it does not account for the dramatic rise in single-adult households.

Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by ALittleLight on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:20PM (#31157011)
The single adult households are a separate and bad thing. I don't think there has been a substantial shift in human desires in the last couple generations - most people still want to get married and have kids and fewer of them are. That they are able to subsist in one family households is not a bragging point for our system.