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Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by sanderjd on Sunday April 24, 2022 @12:07PM (#31145390)
I think the problem with the whole argument being made in this article is exhibited in your pull quote as well: working class people don't know or care what that "highly educated and affluent person" thinks about anything. It is not then clear to me how that person's stance on this - which I don't share - could possibly be the cause of the problems of people who don't care what that person thinks.
Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by lolinder on Sunday April 24, 2022 @12:16PM (#31145488)
It's not the opinions of any one person that matter, it's the expressed opinion of society as a whole, which is made up of the expressed opinions of every individual. It has to start with someone, but I don't think anyone here is under the illusion that one person speaking out is sufficient to alter the culture.
Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by sanderjd on Sunday April 24, 2022 @12:44PM (#31145743)
There is no "opinion of society as a whole". There are myriad different cultures within the society, each with their own opinion.
Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by lolinder on Sunday April 24, 2022 @01:02PM (#31145889)
Fair, that was an oversimplification. I don't believe that that substantially alters my point, though: no one is saying that if only wealthy person X would speak up everything would be better. People are arguing that we need a surge of people speaking up in defense of the choices they made that contributed to their success.
Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by sanderjd on Sunday April 24, 2022 @01:14PM (#31145999)
I think the article significantly overplays the extent to which that doesn't happen. I don't actually think there is any shortage of affluent / professional class / cosmopolitan people who are outspokenly proud of their stable families. But I don't think they have any influence whatsoever over the working class culture exhibiting the problems highlighted. They're two different cultures without much overlap or influence over one another.