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Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by m0llusk on Sunday April 24, 2022 @11:05AM (#31144714)
This seems like a lot of misplaced and irrelevant moralizing. Even in this article it is reported that men find little opportunity in labor markets that leave them with low pay and low respect. If low end jobs paid enough to support a family and might lead to higher pay over time then the situation would be different. Blaming this situation on expectations doesn't make sense when the labor market is clearly both critical and broken. Working class pay has steadily fallen for decades and economic mobility is near zero. In such an environment expectations and the attitudes of the upper classes have no bearing.
Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by dumpsterlid on Sunday April 24, 2022 @11:26AM (#31144933)
> Working class pay has steadily fallen for decades and economic mobility is near zero.

Exactly, so long as this is true, every other discussion about the economics of the working class is a distraction from this

Re:No one expects young men to do anything and they are resp... by defterGoose on Sunday April 24, 2022 @11:23AM (#31144901)
Right. If there is, in general, little to no chance for advancement in a profession, then there is little to no reason for a person (male in this case) to work hard to excel at it.