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Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by jannemann on Saturday April 23, 2022 @05:12PM (#31138611)
> Nuclear power is considered a clean energy source because it has zero carbon dioxide emissions;

This is flat out wrong. Containing, mining, recycling and long term storage are so extremely costly and energy hungry that it does not make any economically sense in mid term to use nuclear power. And do not forget. Nuclear is not renewable. It has to be mined. There are mines which will be empty sooner than generally expected. And any kind of mass produced „nuclear battery“ which will eventually end up in land fill is a risk not worth taking. It reminds me of the story about leaded fuel. Yeah maybe a few cars are no problem. But scale up the pollution and boy will you be in trouble.

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by Manuel_D on Saturday April 23, 2022 @05:37PM (#31138846)
Nuclear has the lowest net CO2 emissions per unit of energy besides hydroelectricity [1]. Waste recycling would make known terrestrial reserves last for several thousand years. Furthermore, seawater extraction would make nuclear effectively unlimited [2].

You can pedantically point out that nuclear isn't truly unlimited. But once you're getting to the point of energy sources lasting millions of years, the term "renewable" becomes academic. You could just as easily point out that the sun will eventually run out of hydrogen.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse_gas_emis...

2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2016/07/01/uranium-s...

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by natmaka on Saturday April 23, 2022 @10:08PM (#31140641)
The more we obtain uranium (prospecting, mining, milling...), the more we add to the associated carbon footprint. Therefore a sustained growth of installed nuclear capacity will lead us to exploit mines at always lowering ore grades => more emissions. The media may be 110g CO‐eq/kWh by 2050.

Source: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2051332

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by Manuel_D on Saturday April 23, 2022 @11:18PM (#31141023)
The same issues apply to the materials needed to manufacture wind turbines, solar panels, and the batteries needed to mitigate intermittency.

Uranium's incredible energy density means increases in raw uranium costs is negligible (enrichment is a much more expensive part of the overall nuclear fuel cost). From the previously linked article:

> Over the last twenty years, uranium spot prices have varied between $10 and $120/lb of U3O8, mainly from changes in the availability of weapons-grade uranium to blend down to make reactor fuel.

> So as the cost of extracting uranium from seawater falls to below $100/lb, it will become a commercially viable alternative to mining new uranium ore. But even at $200/lb of U3O8, it doesn’t add more than a small fraction of a cent per kWh to the cost of nuclear power.

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by natmaka on Sunday April 24, 2022 @07:23AM (#31143021)
True, however those materials needed to manufacture wind turbines, solar panels... can be recycled, most of them infinitely (at human scale), and it more and more becomes either legally or economically unavoidable.

Uranium isn't recyclable: there is no satisfactorily running fast-breeder.

My point was not about costs but about emissions. Extraction and immediate post-processing (before enrichment), and therefore ore grade, have a major impact on emissions: see figure 5 in the referenced communication (Werner, Heath).

Seawater: "pumping the seawater to extract this uranium would need more energy than what could be produced with the recuperated uranium" Source: http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph241/jones-j2/docs/e...

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by Manuel_D on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:16AM (#31151443)
As per my original post, the total emissions from nuclear (including fuel extraction) is lower then wind and hydro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse_gas_emis...

Uranium recycling is not the same thing as breeder reactors. It's essentially the same nuclear enrichment we do to natural uranium to bring it up to concentrations of U235 as usable fuel, just used on spent fuel rather than virgin uranium.

Also, for uranium sea water extraction the plan is to drop buoys with the absorbtion material and let natural currents bring water into contact with it. Pumping all that water out of the ocean would of course be stupid.

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by natmaka on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:46AM (#31152344)
Emissions: those are present (now) emissions. The paper I quoted (read above) is about future emissions (median up to 110g CO‐eq/kWh by 2050), bumped up by lowering ore grades.

Recycling: however breeders are AFAIK the most efficient way to tackle this (however it is so difficult there is no adequate industrial reactor, after ~70 years of prototypes and research). Other ways don't seem very appealing, for example France ceased to recycle in 2013.

Yes, since the 1980's a fair amount of Grand Plans aimed a extracting uranium from seawater. Nothing industrial yet. I won't hold my breadth.

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by jannemann on Saturday April 23, 2022 @06:05PM (#31139096)
Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by fsflover on Saturday April 23, 2022 @05:24PM (#31138713)
>> Nuclear power is considered a clean energy source because it has zero carbon dioxide emissions;

> This is flat out wrong.

No, it's not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26673987 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26603464.

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by jannemann on Saturday April 23, 2022 @06:05PM (#31139094)
Every energy source does require some sort of energy to make it possible to harvest it. And nuclear is no exception. We do not have any sustainable way to filter out enough carbon dioxide with any of the hypothetical excess energy. So saying there is a any energy source without any carbon dioxide emission is wrong.
Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by gruturo on Saturday April 23, 2022 @08:29PM (#31140093)
> Every energy source does require some sort of energy to make it possible to harvest it. And nuclear is no exception

Indeed, and neither are solar, wind, hydro or any other - they all have environmental impact for producing the panels, turbines, dams, etc. So there are actually no exceptions at all, anywhere, which makes the classification completely useless. Could we get back to the topic now?

Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by belorn on Saturday April 23, 2022 @05:52PM (#31138977)
Following that there does not exist an energy source that is zero carbon dioxide emissions. Just mining iron cost a lot of energy, pollutes the environment and cost a lot of energy. All current built wind and solar panels that include steel are built using processes that burn fossil fuel. If we look at plastic used in those the picture get even worse.
Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by korijn on Saturday April 23, 2022 @05:18PM (#31138667)
Isn't it still miles ahead of coal in terms of "clean energy-ness", despite all the costs and flaws? Honestly curious, I'm not at all an expert.
Re:Turning nuclear waste into diamond batteries by senectus1 on Saturday April 23, 2022 @09:07PM (#31140305)
Its mostly carbon friendly, but not even slightly environmentally friendly.