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Re:Hacker News Guidelines by kortilla on Saturday April 23, 2022 @06:13AM (#31132820)
I disagree, I think it’s a reflection of lack of critical thinking skills when it comes to political topics. People are so polarized now they have lost the ability to discuss nuance, see the other side, or really compromise at all.

Everything is couched in terms of “with us or against us” extremist dichotomies much like the one hiding in the undertone of your post.

Of course everyone thinks their political views are critical to life the same way people think their religion is important. It’s still super rude to bring up religion in an orthogonal topic and it’s still super rude to do the same with politics.

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by giantg2 on Saturday April 23, 2022 @07:01AM (#31133168)
"I disagree, I think it’s a reflection of lack of critical thinking skills when it comes to political topics. People are so polarized now they have lost the ability to discuss nuance, see the other side, or really compromise at all."

I think this is generally true, but I also think HN is one of the more open minded places on most of the topics. I think the main problem I have seen in political debates on here are when someone automatically assumes a scientific finding should be policy. In reality, we as a society need to figure out how to apply that finding in a way that balances multiple concerns and fits with society's other rules and values.

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by carlhjerpe on Saturday April 23, 2022 @02:28PM (#31136944)
Which in a way boils down to the corrupt voting system of the US. Since the voting system makes it mathematically "impossible" for more than 2 parties to exist you end up voting for either party, and since there's only two, the other one is a piece of shit.

With another voting system (CGP Grey YouTube has great videos on this) you'll have more parties meaning you're not put against one "opponent" that you'll always hate.

Your voting system is not democratic (if you're from the US) and I see it as weird how this isn't mentioned more often.

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by BarbaPeru on Sunday April 24, 2022 @05:50AM (#31142577)
Sadly this is not US only issue, I'm from Italy and here is the same, very polarized view, black or white, if you're not with us you are against us. I hate this.
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by adventured on Saturday April 23, 2022 @09:21AM (#31134024)
I disagree with you and the parent as to the core issue / cause.

Critical thinking skills generally didn't vanish over the past 5, 10, 20, 30 years. That still exists and you can see it in numerous other topics of discussion that don't get so heated. In some spheres of discourse such skills have been overridden by emotion, feelings, however. People are being taught to suppress rational thought and to unleash emotional reaction instead.

What has happened is a cultural shift in which outrage behavior, reaction-to-whatever, being triggered, feelings-as-all-important, et al. has become acceptable and primary. Virtue signaling - which is a resulting disease of this shift - is omnipresent today. That all started to build notably throughout the prior decade and accelerated during the Trump years. Emotional reaction and how strong that reaction is, became a way to win contests intellectually. This primacy of feelings is now being taught throughout the US at all levels and at all times. It's an intellectual disaster, it turns adults into infants emotionally and intellectually. It stunts their growth mentally and it makes them fragile, weak, unable to partake in rigourous debate without shattering down to emotionally acting out (if you're losing in a debate, throw a culturally potent accusation card to end the debate). For a masterclass in this behavior observe Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, when she does something stupid or ignorant, or when she is caught lying, and watch how she avoids responsibility (she acts out very emotionally and immediately begins throwing any and all accusation cards to deflect and shut down discussion); or observe her approach to argumentation generally, she always argues from feelings-as-primary (watch how she uses her hands as she speaks, it's a tip-off); she's out on the tip of the intellectual spear for the US cultural implosion and the impending rise of violent tribalism and highly dysfunctional statism in the US culturally (and it's no coincidence she's an avowed Socialist; 20 years from now if you disagree with her emotions, her brown shirts equivalent - Antifa & Co. - will burn your house down; we're nearly at that level of primative cultural behavior now).

People have gradually come to tolerate outrageous emotional behavior. It's conceptually no different than the broken window theory. Bit by bit more and more emotional, acting-out behavior has become tolerated in the culture. Now it's widespread and the US culture is increasingly a cultural ghetto. When feelings become supreme in the intellectual realm, reason and reasonable behavior loses out every time. The culture that behaves that way will collapse rapidly into tribalism and conflict, lacking the approach necessary to resolve intellectual conflict (turning to feelings and emotion as primary can only end in violent conflict in an intellectual contest, there's no way then to determine right from wrong culturally other than who can shriek the loudest or hit the hardest).

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Re:Hacker News Guidelines by claytongulick on Saturday April 23, 2022 @11:41AM (#31135226)
Your comment doesn't make any sense to me.

Virtue signaling is a behavior or type of speech that is intended to communicate a political allegiance, or adherence to a specific school of thought.

GP effectively provided a critique of modern political discourse.

What does that have to do with virtue signaling?