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Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by jimbokun on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:43PM (#31125242)
Yes, everything the author describes started in earnest with 80s comics.

The trouble is that after Moore completely deconstructed super hero comics with Watchmen (and Miracle Man, and Miller with Dark Knight, etc.), a new generation thought that's how comics were supposed to be.

But Moore demonstrated that if you extrapolate how super humans would operate in "the real world", it would quickly devolve into a nightmare no one would want to live in.

So "dark" "gritty" "realistic" comics post-Watchmen are really kind of pointless. Watchmen did it better than any of the current authors, and reading them just leads to getting depressed about the depravity of our fantasy worlds, on top of all the things to be depressed about the real one. It's simultaneously indulgent and self defeating.

Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by at_a_remove on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:24PM (#31125901)
I have been ruined for most "cape" films for the last decade or so by reading a brilliant reconstruction of, well, the vast majority of cape concepts, tropes, settings, powers and such in a web serial called Worm, which is an enormous work set in an Earth where "powers" began to appear in certain people, called parahumans, around 1982. The sequel, Ward tackles even the more abstract concepts, like identity against the Revolving Door of Death in comics.

Probably the best cape thing I have come across since Watchmen.

Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by Apocryphon on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:32PM (#31126031)
How's it compare to Planetary?
Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by LegitShady on Friday April 22, 2022 @04:09PM (#31127384)
Worm starts as the story of a bullied girl in high school. Some people in the world of worm have the latent 'capability' to 'trigger' and get powers when placed in extremely stressful situations. The main character suffers a prolonged bullying campaign and is stuffed into a locker with used feminine hygiene products by her bullies.

She triggers, not with super-strength or flying or lasers, but with the ability to control all bugs in a large radius around herself.

The world is darker than in planetary in that society is trying to cope with supervillains (people who trigger are often in bad situations that don't lead them to becoming superheros) as well as the Endbringers, three seemingly unstoppable monsters who alternate attacking a city every ~3 months and thus society needs supervillains to help combat them.

It's a long read, and I haven't read it in recent years so I can't remember how good the writing was. I enjoyed it. Never read the sequel since its about a different character that I didn't really care about.

Planetary is not really in the same vein of story.

Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by MrPatan on Friday April 22, 2022 @05:34PM (#31128460)
Link? it's not an easy google.
Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by at_a_remove on Friday April 22, 2022 @06:17PM (#31128905)
Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by Apocryphon on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:31PM (#31126024)
The deconstruction era didn't last forever. There was also reconstruction, with the likes of Astro City, Marvels, Kingdom Come, etc. That was certainly more upbeat and had a sense of wonder.
Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by jerf on Friday April 22, 2022 @04:14PM (#31127452)
"So "dark" "gritty" "realistic" comics post-Watchmen are really kind of pointless."

Reminds me of the sheer number of times I've seen "clever" people give a dark, gritty take on Alice in Wonderland. The weird thing to do with that material is give it an unironically bright, sunny, upbeat interpretation. If the surface of the original material isn't "dark", it sure isn't hiding very deeply under the surface.

Re:The Superhero Industry Hates Children (2019) by s1artibartfast on Friday April 22, 2022 @03:55PM (#31127233)
>on top of all the things to be depressed about the real one. It's simultaneously indulgent and self defeating.

That's one take. When I got into comics as a young adult, it wasnt depressing, indulgent, or defeating. It was a window look at some of the darker aspects of reality and explore and form opinions on them. I could have conversations with friends about the totalitarian state depicted in V for Vendetta or zero-sum politics and fascism in transmetropolitan.

It let me experience exaggerated possible worlds that I would not want to live in and that I was sheltered from in real life. It helped me form ideals and ideas about what I don't want in life.

Probably the only comic that I had a negative impact on me that I wasn't over able to overcome reframe as a cautionary tale was cerebus the aardvark. It certainly colored the world view of several of my friends, sending some into levels of mild depression. It contained some seriously unsettling takes on life, relationships, and women that were hard to shake, and I'm still not sure I have 15 years later.