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Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by throwaway6734 on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:12PM (#31124646)
>people in interview panels openly saying "but he's a white man" / "do we want to hire more white men" etc.

Isn't this illegal?

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by Manuel_D on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:29PM (#31124973)
Who is going to speak up? I've worked in these environments before and it's career suicide to object to DEI discrimination.
Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by forum_ghost on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:29PM (#31125975)
Maybe two-party recording laws in California needs to be removed.
Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by recursive on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:34PM (#31126060)
Maybe, but they haven't been. That's what matters.
Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by nullc on Friday April 22, 2022 @08:53PM (#31130207)
Doesn't apply if the parties have notice of the recording. Offer to take notes for the meetings and tell people you're recording for the notes. People making openly racist/sexist statements usually won't refrain when a mic is on-- they do it because they've convinced themselves that what they're doing is OKAY.

Failing that, an illicitly obtained recording can still be used in court in California if its used to disprove conflicting testimony. So you sue over the discrimination, when they lie and claim they didn't say the statements in question, the recording can be introduced.

You'd still be vulnerable to the $2500 fine and imprisonment, but I don't know how likely it is that a prosecutor would actually go after someone for making a recording which exposed a crime. Personally I'd be inclined to get a recording and then decide what to do about it later, since if due care is taken the recording would be unlikely to be known to anyone but you. Obviously you should get legal advice before trying something like that.

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by forum_ghost on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:41AM (#31165548)
This is a very optimistic statement, and I hope you are right, but I'd imagine the probability of a candidate who announced he'll record the interview to get hired will be approximately zero.

Personally, I'd expect the interview cut very short, if not immediately e.g. citing an existing security policy or something.

I've seen many places with "no recording for our client's privacy" on the doors.

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by throwaway0wha8h on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:17PM (#31124737)
Lot of things are illegal but still happen everyday. The violation has to be known to lawmakers and they have to have the will and resources to enforce the penalty. That's not the case here.
Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by commandlinefan on Friday April 22, 2022 @03:00PM (#31126494)
> Isn't this illegal?

Yes, but it's not actually enforced or prosecuted in these cases.

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by thisismyusrname on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:11PM (#31125750)
Yes
Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by koheripbal on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:32PM (#31125037)
In many states, discrimination laws only apply to "protected classes" , which is strictly defined as specific lists of races/religions/lgbt..

If you are white male, you are often not protected by these laws.

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by autarch on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:45PM (#31125283)
That's not what a protected class is. A protected class is something like "gender", "race", or "religion". It's not "women", "black people", or "Jews".

Discriminating based on gender or race, regardless of the gender or race in question, is illegal in most (probably all) states in the US.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group for a lot more details.

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by moeris on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:45PM (#31125289)
Incorrect. The protections against employment discrimination by protected category are at the federal level, and are not tied to any specific race/religion/etc.

> Under the laws enforced by EEOC, it is illegal to discriminate against someone (applicant or employee) because of that person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices....

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by pie_flavor on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:49PM (#31125346)
The relevant piece of legislation is not state-by-state but the Civil Rights Act of 1965. It defines protected classes, and it defines them as attributes that you cannot discriminate along, not groups; whites and blacks are (de jure, not necessarily de facto) equally protected by race's status as a protected class.
Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by Anechoic on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:53PM (#31125419)
In many states,[...] which is strictly defined as specific lists of races

Can you provide a specific example of a state where a protected class is limited to a specific "race" (as opposed to "race" in general)? There are states where minorities have a presumption of being discriminated against, but that's not the same thing.

Re:Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-domina... by nullc on Friday April 22, 2022 @10:33PM (#31130845)
I trust you've been adequately corrected now by the sibling comments... but I'm genuinely curious how you came to believe this?