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Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by dml2135 on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:24PM (#31123737)
You don't take it, you make a new, identical copy of it, leaving any previously existing copy intact.
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by mockery on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:22PM (#31124844)
So if I make a new, identical copy of a GPL'ed codebase - should I feel free to use it for whatever purpose I want and ignore the GPL?
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by Stunting on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:40PM (#31124039)
I will happily take your money and provide you with a new, identical copy of it if that's the deal you want to make.
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by Krasnol on Friday April 22, 2022 @03:31PM (#31126907)
That doesn't make any sense as an allegory.

Nobody is TAKING anything. Everything is at the place where it belongs.

Also if you'd be able to make identical copies of money, of course people would accept it.

Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by TechBro8615 on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:28PM (#31123818)
I generally support this argument, but to play devil's advocate, you might consider the bit stream used to transfer the content to be new bits. The file may be a bit-for-bit copy if you ask a computer, but streaming it required a series of voltage fluctuations that wouldn't have happened otherwise. You could consider that series of events to be roughly analogous to a CD-ROM containing some content. You can load the CD onto two computers and get two copies of its content, but there are two physically distinct CDs just like there are two physically distinct series of bits streaming to two locations.
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by mgh2 on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:16PM (#31124731)
Literally the NFT argument
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by hunter2_ on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:29PM (#31124961)
An NFT is a certificate of authenticity. Copies of the associated item don't have a valid certificate. Getting satisfaction from a copy is orthogonal to the value associated with the authenticated original.
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by Stunting on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:26PM (#31123785)
I'll go into your mailbox and take your paycheck. I'll provide you with a new identical copy of it. I'll leave the previous existing copy intact, but in my possession.

Which one of us gets to deposit the money?

Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by JamesBarney on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:33PM (#31123917)
You're copying the check but stealing the money. The money and the check are not the same thing.

If I copy your car key and use it to steal your car. I've copied the key but stolen your car.

Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by Stunting on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:35PM (#31123954)
You're copying the entertainment value provided and stealing the income that is related to that value.
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by pie_flavor on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:03PM (#31125601)
Theft is when you take something from someone. As in, what you have materially gained, they have materially lost. Copyright infringement is not theft, and must be treated differently, because what you gain, nobody has lost; the supply is infinite.

If you accuse someone of stealing the income, but they haven't gotten any money out of it, how does that make sense? What you're describing is a missed opportunity for a sale; had someone 'stolen' nothing and simply passed the product by, you would still not have made that sale and nothing would have changed.

Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by hunter2_ on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:04PM (#31124509)
What about borrowing from public libraries? Buying a used legitimate disc at a garage sale? Are people who do this in the wrong?
Re:The bottom is dropping out of Netflix by Stunting on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:33PM (#31126056)
Finally! I agree with this. I think that physically purchased goods should be free from any sort of "DRM." and is not stealing.

The difference is one party at a time, i.e. household, library patron, etc, can enjoy the entertainment service.

When you pirate it, The original owner of the dvd retains the service value as well as providing the service to others without any value being transferred to the workforce/IP holders.

That's the difference and I personally am all in for a mythical solution that but still allows complete freedom of ownership while also stopping people from digitally reproducing assets and dispensing them exponentially.

I don't believe it will ever happen tho :/