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Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by beej71 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:59PM (#31099862)
I know SF in the last decade has gotten pretty bad, but dad also didn't let me walk around SF in the 70s, either. (We didn't live there, we just visited.)

Big city life has always been a bit different, so I'd grant an out there for a little more helicoptering.

But most of the country isn't SF. (And most of SF isn't SF--if that makes any sense. Sunset isn't the Tenderloin.) In the town I live in now, things are easily as safe as they were in the town I grew up in. And yet--lines of cars in the schools every day.

If it's necessary to protect your kid, do it. But I think what we're seeing here is a lot of additional protection being applied in circumstances that have not changed appreciably in the last 50 years.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by asdff on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:00PM (#31103624)
To be perfectly honest a lot of peoples perceptions about cities back then was highly rooted in race. It was a time when white people literally sold their homes and moved if a black person moved in on the street, or they even threw stones at black people they saw walking around who in their head they villified, or worse. Anytime someone has an anecdote where they have some adversion to the city, especially back then, I can't help but imagine a lot of that has to do with racial biases rather than lived experiences and actual perspective on how much crime is really happening.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by nitrogen on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:33PM (#31103943)
I spent my first few years of life living in a city near a downtown. My friends were a mix of colors, nth-generation residents, immigrants, and refugees. Race had nothing to do with why my parents left. It had everything to do with the serial rapist attacking our neighbor and still on the loose, the markets down the street getting repeated drive-by shootings, etc.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by chrischen on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:46PM (#31104055)
I know the city has gotten a lot of bad press lately, but I'm pretty sure SF was more dangerous prior to the rich people moving in. It's just that more rich people started complaining after they came. My Uber driver's was always talking about how the high school near Dolores park used to be a gang hotspot or something.