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Re:College became the default – Let's rethink that by giraffe_lady on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:08PM (#31088311)
Yes. Speaking for the US, if your personal goals include having things like PTO and health insurance you're going to want the degree. Most white collar jobs are off limits without a degree in something, even if entirely unrelated to the job itself.

Not that there aren't other paths, or non-degree-gatekept jobs with those things. But they are harder and fewer and becoming increasingly so.

Programming is one of the few prestigious, highly paid jobs left that doesn't have a pretty hard req on having a degree to get into. That's why I do it. But yes I've also run into all the things you mention.

Re:College became the default – Let's rethink that by randomdata on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:25PM (#31088552)
> if your personal goals include having things like PTO and health insurance you're going to want the degree.

Only ~40% of Americans have completed some level of post-secondary schooling, and only ~30% have a college degree. ~60-70% of jobs do not offer PTO and health insurance? That seems a little hard to believe. The BLS indicates that 79% of jobs offer PTO.

Re:College became the default – Let's rethink that by whimsicalism on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @05:00PM (#31089065)
> The BLS indicates that 79% of jobs offer PTO.

Sure, but that PTO is pretty... not great outside of salaried careers. For instance, for 5 years of work at Starbucks, you can get a maximum of ~2 weeks paid vacation across those 5 years in California (which has specifically friendly legislation to encourage this).

Re:College became the default – Let's rethink that by sarchertech on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:50PM (#31088906)
79% of full time jobs maybe. But that doesn’t include gig work, contract jobs, self employed people, day laborers etc…
Re:College became the default – Let's rethink that by robbedpeter on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @04:32PM (#31088667)
Networking and other IT fields are pretty open.

Degree requirements are lazy gatekeeping by organizations too big to hire people that actually care.