The tank is dead: Long live the javelin, the switchblade, the ... ?

Re:The tank is dead: Long live the javelin, the switchblade,... by hef19898 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @09:06AM (#31082557)

Thr Turkish army lost a couple of top of the line Leopard 2s in Syria some years ago for the exact same reason: lack of infantry support.

Seems that the "West", spearheaded by the US, has the most experienced military in the world at the moment. 20 years of counter insurgency warfare and some more conventional wars before that seriously helped a lot. Just how much is at display in Ukraine, first by the, so far, Russian failures and second by the preparation and performance of the Ukrainians, which where supported, cinsulted and equiped by NATO for years by now.

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Re:The tank is dead: Long live the javelin, the switchblade,... by fork1 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @09:25AM (#31082755)

There is an issue with that, being efficient in conter insurgency warfare doesn't necessarily translate into High Intensity warfare. Infantry support for armor is one, but things like maneuvers, operating under contested skies, EW, etc. When were NATO troops under heavy sustained artillery barrages?

I m quite impressed by the attrition in both troops, ammo, and material. More than Wunderwaffen, i think the lesson is more in trained personel reserves, as well as stockpiles.

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Re:The tank is dead: Long live the javelin, the switchblade,... by throwmeariver1 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @09:42AM (#31082958)

They were the export version without active armor…

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Re:The tank is dead: Long live the javelin, the switchblade,... by greedo on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:37AM (#31083740)

You mean reactive armor? The Leopard doesn't have active armor (or reactive like Kontakt-5 etc). It's been tested with Trophy APS, but the Turks didn't have that.

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