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Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by everyone on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:50PM (#31076357)
Jewellery is a great analogy imo. Apple is a jewellery company imo. They sell expensive, shiny, conspicuous consumption items without practical use.

I was shocked when I found out that macs are popular among people who actually work with computers and even make software. It will never cease to shock me. The only explanation I can think of is that this is a USA social class thing. In the USA the upper classes have Apple stuff and the lower classes have something else. Most people in software come from an upper or upper-middle background so they grow up in an Apple house. Those who don't get Apple anyway to blend in.

Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by triceratops on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:29PM (#31078470)
MBPs are amazing machines for people who work in technology. The advantages:

1. Unix-based OS

2. Outstanding battery life

3. Sturdy and long-lasting; a well-maintained Macbook will outlive any Windows laptop of equal price

4. No pre-loaded crapware

5. Best trackpad in existence

6. Secure, with patches and updates for years

This more than outweighs all the other minuses, such as the overly-obsessive focus on thinness, or the outrageous cost of dongles, adapters, memory/storage upgrades, and battery replacements.

Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by postingposts on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @01:36AM (#31080009)
Lmao I have had 2 MBPs die on me and the cost to fix them is like $800 and I can’t do it myself. Fuck them.
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by triceratops on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:07AM (#31083309)
You're a statistical outlier. Out of the millions of units they sell, someone is bound to end up with 2 lemons in a row. Sucks for you but it's not the case for millions of satisfied customers.
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by postingposts on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:47AM (#31083889)
Those are the ones I purchased. I have owned 5 and all 5 failed. I think Apple sucks as a result.
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by Tabular-Iceberg on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @11:00AM (#31084058)
Fuck them indeed, but I can’t wait for a competitor to come out with something that checks all six boxes without the drawbacks of Apple, I need a computer that can do those things now.
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by postingposts on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @11:04AM (#31084112)
I’m giving up on laptops and sticking to desktops. The desktop I built myself has never given me any problems and it can be repaired, upgraded, and serviced on my own. I really think laptops are just trash and people are delusional about their usefulness. That’s my opinion, damn it!!!
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by everyone on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @09:46AM (#31096876)
Yeah, how often do you work in different places? Like you need a lot of other gear that is not portable, Roof / walls / window / desk / chair / paper / pens / books etc. Basically a nice office you are comfortable in and used to working in.

Desktops last pretty much forever. Almost every desktop component I've had worked perfectly until it was extremely obsolete and sold or given away.

What's crazy is that although their performance remains the same over years, their prices depreciate like crazy for no reason. I am never gonna buy new computers again. I've gotten a few 2nd hand gaming desktops recently on buy and sell websites for around €300 each (often including monitor / peripherals) and they perform perfectly, they can run AAA games fine even.

Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by Terretta on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:21PM (#31077373)
> The only explanation I can think of...

Craftspeople appreciate good tools. Good tools don't make you better at craft, but bad tools can definitely make you worse.

There's also the thing where at the start of a model cycle from Apple, you generally cannot purchase an equipment with all those performance capabilities combined at any price from anyone else. This is true of phones and laptops alike.

In other words, at major new model cycles, the full combination of practical function and durable form is often not available anywhere else at any price.

When your livelihood depends on your machine, you do well to invest in good tools. And "invest" is the right word, because these hold value.

By the end of a model cycle, other vendors may catch up or pass the price perf curve, yet the Apple models are built in a way that holds value for double or quadruple the lifespan of a Windows laptop purchased around the same launch window. This means when you buy fresh and resell two years in, you can spend less for the top of the line functionality than when you stay in the shovel-wear class of machine. (You can even sometimes buy direct refurb and sell a year later for as much as you paid.)

> It will never cease to shock me.

How to say you're not open minded without saying you're not open minded? :-)

Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by pschastain on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:55PM (#31076415)
My last MBP only lasted 10 years of almost daily use so yeah, no practical use at all...
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by jaffe21 on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:20PM (#31076704)
>> I was shocked when I found out that macs are popular among people who actually work with computers and even make software. It will never cease to shock me.

Yeah, wtf. It's not like people that build software for a living know anything about computers right?!

Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by j-krieger on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:35AM (#31082262)
Yea, a unix based system with a good Desktop manager in a powerhouse of a laptop. Horrible, right?
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by Delk on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:59PM (#31077155)
The combination of Unix, a polished user interface and a system that Just Works(TM) appeals to a lot of tech people. That combination at least used to be a kind of a holy grail.
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by kaba0 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @03:11AM (#31080405)
I would like to see the polished user interface that doesn’t lag on desktop switch, or the just works system, because neither of it is true of a last-intel MBP I use.
Re:Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these... by j-krieger on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:34AM (#31082249)
> They sell expensive, shiny, conspicuous consumption items without practical use

Sorry, but I don‘t believe anyone who says this while looking at a modern day M1 macbook. I have the pleasure to own one for software development and graphical imagery work and frankly it‘s the single best computer I have ever used. No windows or linux machine comes close. It‘s a unix system where everything just works out of the box.