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Sorry if you can’t read deeply into it or something. I’m not posting for grad students. I can sense you just like to correct people. Ahhhh I’m so wrong, you’re right?
I also don’t think that what I wrote is an ad-hominem. It’s the truth.
“ I feel like we live in a nightmarish hellscape where a significant portion of work is driven by nothing but desire for profit, but this doesn't suddenly make me think that everyone involved in making things is only there because they get paid.”
I feel this is true but I disagree with your second part of the statement because that’s all that motivates me to go to work, ever.
To me merely being forced to attend some building or talk to some people at a certain time is said nightmarish hellscape.
I further disagree with your framing at the end. I think that it’s a challenging discussion but I’m not shutting people down, I am responding to them with my thoughts and letting them respond in kind. If anything your framing has these elements, but if you disagree just say so. It’s really not a heinous crime to disagree with me. Many have done so.
Which isn’t to say you aren’t having positive feelings at your job, I think that’s possible and in general ideal.
Enjoyment out of spending more time the way you want to as opposed to the way others have dictated it be spent is very natural, I believe. But I have to draw the distinction between love and enjoyment. Love (to me) is the expression of an idea from the soul, and the willingness to nurture this idea from the perspective of nature and harmony. There is a harmony in creating order (code, poetry, music), and there is a harmony in creating a roughness around which order and harmony form. (Clouds, fractals, abstract ideas, natural patterns) to experience this as the self with the world and with others in the world is how I believe love exists and comes to be.
When you’re paid for this process it diminishes love with the element of time, and space. You have to do it by so and so time, or there will be a material consequence. (Even if the time is very far away)
I don’t think that your labor of love becomes undone, but it’s something else. It’s enjoying the fruits of your labor, and that is not the same as laboring for love. Not to me at least.
I even would say you can enjoy making things others love. But for you yourself, it’s not possible.
And for me, in practical experience, I don’t get many who love what I do, and I don’t really enjoy the climate around me full of people doing nothing but stacking up money for no purpose.
I suppose my real gripe here is that I wish things were good or meaningful.
In other words: dude I have done things for rich people like crazy rich people, and they’re babies who can’t do for themselves and got money through generational wealth or wealthy relatives or knowing wealthy people. I have done for myself with less than most get and my lack of empathy comes directly from people who are allowed to fail in luxury.
You should really consider things from a “what can humans perceive” standpoint. There are things you can do with ML and eye saccades that you will literally never see because of perceptual delay. If I can push a saccadic event below 50ms you will never notice it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccade
That’s one example.
We can all be paid more and work less and things will get better. Now, making people actually understand that is an entirely different beast.
I can sympathize with your friend, I made digital art for a while and distribute it for free still to this day without any license whatsoever. Because I love to make art. I write with no expectation that I will get a book deal, that someone will pay to read it, or that I can convert it to some form of sellable text.
Because I love to write.
The more I’m on Earth the less I like it here.
I think there is also no willingness to change this. People cash out, aren’t concerned about anyone else needing to use something or any major impacts changes will have beyond profit generating or profit saving.
Maybe convince the companies that having good software is more profitable than mediocre software and industry dominance.
You really can’t imagine how disappointing it is and how little it makes me want to engage in the future.
Am I? I know that’s the name but it’s not really for hackers. It’s mainly for businesspeople who are very sensitive, don’t really know much of anything beyond their desk job or coding and don’t care much for the hacker ethos.
If I post like myself, really like myself, that is, extremely weird and sarcastic, I’ll get the Socrates/Voltaire/Diogenes treatment and be shown the door. I think people like to call themselves hackers, or pirates, or “code ninjas” —- it is escapism from the truth that they no longer do it for the love, it’s for the money, or they are doing it for the job, the prestige, the “do you know who I am?!” Effect.
Which I don’t care about cuz I’m a hacker. I didn’t get your fancy 4 year degree. I’ll write your code dude but I’m not going to fawn over wealth like it’s valuable because to me it isn’t.
I’ve seen many people get sensitive or bristly attitudes here, report the post, downvote, because they don’t have much to say or engage with.
They disagree, and that’s it.
I am “man you disagree with” and “bad man” because you disagree.
You would only see these actors using these certain types of products and appearing in movies where the action or entertainment incorporates product.
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I think most people are tasteless enough to really like this.
I’ve never seen this in practice. It’s usually to fuel buying some big house that no one normal could ever afford and then acting like you were granted a lordship.
I am more than happy to change my perspective but not to have a headache by deluding myself that “everyone just has to take profits!”
Maybe that’s the world you live in. I don’t want to live in it.
But not as education. It’s just an expensive stamp of approval one must receive to work with certain institutions. You pay the institutions for the stamp, fill out worksheets for children and write papers for no one for 4 years and then bravo! You did it!
You didn’t do anything! Now it’s time to learn the actual job. But this process is time-tested. The only fault is the parents lying to the kids attending that they’ll learn something. They won’t. But they’ll start understanding how to show up (without their parents waking them up) and do tasks (without their parents making them) which is really what college is these days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
1600 is the official number, in practice it was a lot more and their identities were concealed.
Personally this article comes off as classist and that disgusts me.
I think you’re really overestimating how much my comment either adds or detracts from the conversation.
But I can say it in a clearer way: I do not care one single iota about the investment companies have made in leasing buildings whatsoever. I do not care to be babysat at work and I leave places that choose such paths. I look down on people who want to have that either as an occupation or a career. I will be laughing the entire time the physical workplace burns because it’s comical.
Have you ever read Candide by Voltaire?
Workplaces that try to use Work and Pay as a reason to have a social outing aren’t workplaces. I’ll fake it to be paid but if remote means it goes away… that is a very very good thing.