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Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by ineedasername on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:59AM (#31070002)
I wouldn't describe the most extremist viewpoint on most matters as a white angel. Extremism tends to turn off some people from the cause when it looks somewhat irrational. Telling people they're bad and shouldn't play non-free videogames certainly isn't going to help things much. If you make someone who would otherwise be on your side feel guilty everytime they pick up a controller to unwind at the end of the day, that's hard to swallow.
Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by schuyler2d on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:36AM (#31071217)
It's not extremism -- it's representing a value -- of being able to access, learn, and change the code that we run and use to improve our lives.

One perspective would say "RMS/Free-software advocates are saying only free games should be played" -- but another is:

"If we want to have access to the code for the games we play (as a value), what economic, legal and technical infrastructure (rather than depending on current copyright, DRM, etc) do we need?" If that's something we want, how do we advocate for it?

Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by phkahler on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:34AM (#31071193)
IMHO there is nothing irrational about RMS position, but it is often impractical. That means we need to push harder in his direction because it shouldn't be a practical impossibility to do what he advocates. That difficulty is exactly the problem his crusade is fighting against.
Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by mcdonje on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:32AM (#31071163)
You can't control if people think your viewpoint is extremist or guilt-inducing. Some viewpoints can be logically categorized as being at the end of a defined spectrum. Many cannot, and there is much room for debate on whether or not they're extremist.
Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by ineedasername on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:38AM (#31072146)
>You can't control if people think your viewpoint is extremist or guilt-inducing.

True. I'm not saying he can control the impact of his viewpoint, I'm making an observation on what that impact may be.

>and there is much room for debate on whether or not they're extremist.

Also true. I classify RMS as an extremist, but recognize that reasonable people may disagree.

>Some viewpoints can be logically categorized as being at the end of a defined spectrum

That is pretty much the definition of extremism, being at the final end point on either end of a spectrum. But then that's why I don't gravitate towards viewpoints that exist only as a single point on a spectrum. I prefer a multi axial approach that takes various considerations into account. Unfortunately for me that often makes it significantly harder to convey a short answer on my views, because they are fairly nuanced.

As far as RMS, he may have planted a very good seed, but I don't think that OSS would have gained dominance in many areas if there had not been more moderate & practical people working in the area.

Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by stjohnswarts on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:30PM (#31072940)
He's not saying people are bad, he's saying that using non-free software (his version of the term) is bad and bad for people. I don't think believe the individual is a bad person. Now I'm sure that he views people like Bill Gates as a bad person or Elon Musk (for locking down Tesla software intentionally) as they use their pulpits to lower people's personal freedom with software.
Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by ineedasername on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:25PM (#31074522)
That seems to stem from a very Christian "hate the sin, not the sinner" foundation. For me, it's always been difficult to separate a person doing bad things from the person also being bad.