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Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by revscat on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:47AM (#31067806)
I do not know how to put it into words, but the simplistic morality expressed here makes me uncomfortable. While I also find remote controlled war to be abhorrent, nevertheless this attitude seems… overly simplistic?
Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by kqr on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:01AM (#31067876)
Of course it is overly simplistic -- which is also why it bears repeating.

Anyone can be made to commit atrocities in an environment shaped the right way. If I grew up like these people, I'm sure I would pull the trigger in exactly the same situations.

But it still would take my cooperation. I can only pull the trigger if I'm somehow made to want it, at some level. Or at least if I'm made to think I have no choice.

By emphasising our individual ethical responsibilities -- the simple fact that it takes some amount of cooperation for a person to do anything at all, we are creating a small obstacle in the way of creating a dangerous environment that can turn me into an assassin.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by throwaway15908 on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:13AM (#31068186)
Imagine a world ... imagine a united states in which people just respect this simple moral of not killing people by any means for any reason. Just imagine.
Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by imtringued on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:16AM (#31068460)
That's impossible.

I can easily imagine that we achieve world peace within 50 years through two very simple economic reforms but I can't imagine that it will actually happen.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by flyinglizard on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:37AM (#31068295)
Imagine a world where the US navy doesn’t sail all seas, where there are no US troops around the world, no NATO or Military Industrial Complex.

That’s not a world that I, as a Westerner, would want to live in.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by sgjohnson on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:53AM (#31068362)
The alternative to the US-led global order is a global order led by some Chinese-Indian-Russian alliance.

That’s definitely not a world I’d want to live in.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by throwaway15908 on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:00AM (#31068399)
No one is born as your foe, they gradually become it. Fleeing into "but imagine what china would do" is exactly that, its creation.

Tracing the cirlce of violence back you can only state, that it has always been this way but that is also just a weak excuse of affective apes.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by watwut on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:35AM (#31068833)
Are you assuming that literally everyone except Americans is purely reactive with no own ambitions and ideologies?

That is incredibly arrogant look at the world.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by AussieWog93 on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:27AM (#31068509)
>Chinese-Indian-Russian alliance

I think hell would freeze over before those three teamed up.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by giraffe_lady on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:21PM (#31073702)
Well yeah. Neither does a thief want to live in a world where they must return the goods and be held accountable. Traditionally we don't weigh their desires very heavily in those decisions.
Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by jcims on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:45AM (#31068338)
Of course it’s overly simplistic, it’s a thoughtless impotent rant borne from frustration. I do it myself from time to time, it feels good but doesn’t change anything.
Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by gorjusborg on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:24AM (#31069742)
I don't want to speak for you, but it alsi makes me feel uncomfortable, but I know why.

The 'detached black and white' view of the world us how we got here in the first place.

Clinging to moral absolutes and trying to frame real life in that rigid framework is a lazy/irresponsible way to be efficient. If you don't have to worry about the details (truth), decisions seem easier.

Re:The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled ... by pastacacioepepe on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:58AM (#31068391)
Nobody forces you to pilot drones. It is very simple, either you do it or you don't. Given that there are other choices there are no justifications.

I'd rather clean toilets my whole life than build a career on the death of innocents.