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Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by fullshark on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:25AM (#31053054)
Or the NSA commits illegal massive surveillance at a global scale, and an NSA analyst reveals it then gets asylum in Russia and US citizens shrug and move on forgetting it ever happened.
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by riku_iki on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:37AM (#31053146)
> NSA commits illegal massive surveillance at a global scale

has illegality been proven? From what I could find they performed surveillance under FISA warrants. There are obviously greater conspiracy theories, but are they supported by evidence?

Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by warent on Saturday April 16, 2022 @12:28PM (#31053660)
perhaps unsurprisingly it is still being fought in court, because the US government is very slow to investigate itself.

that being said, in 2020:

  The panel held that the government may have violated the Fourth Amendment when it collected the telephony metadata of millions of Americans ... pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000174-4f61-de4a-ad7d-ffeff...
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by riku_iki on Saturday April 16, 2022 @12:43PM (#31053807)
My understanding is that this is unrelated issue to what Snowden disclosed.

> perhaps unsurprisingly it is still being fought in court, because the US government is very slow to investigate itself.

Perhaps, it is slow because it is complicated topic, which is not clearly described in constitution: where to draw the line for personal privacy.

Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by warent on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:21PM (#31054143)
Your understanding, based on ignoring the linked document?

What government programs unrelated to Snowden's disclosure collect millions of Americans telephony metadata?

Check page 13. They directly reference Snowden. I'm getting a strong sense that you are a troll.

Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by riku_iki on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:32PM (#31054238)
> Check page 13. They directly reference Snowden. I'm getting a strong sense that you are a troll.

I sometimes make mistakes, I was not aware that Snowden leaked this program too.

Anyway, illegality of this program is not proven yet, all collection happened under FISA warrants as I initially said, I think this was the topic?

> Your understanding, based on ignoring the linked document?

I obviously didn't go through all 60 pages of court document, I believe it was your burden to provide exact citation to support of your point for the sake of discussion.

Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by Turtle_Power on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:56AM (#31053326)
From some of the other posts here, it would appear so.

https://hn.algolia.com/?q=illegal+surveillance+nsa

Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by riku_iki on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:58AM (#31053341)
Which of the links are relevant to Snowden disclosure of the Prizm?
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by smegger001 on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:55AM (#31053312)
a court that literally rubber stamped everything brought to it without even looking at it yeah...
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by riku_iki on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:56AM (#31053324)
It doesn't mean it is illegal.
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by michaelmrose on Sunday April 17, 2022 @12:36AM (#31058536)
It so blatantly violates what a reasonable person would suppose is just to the extent that such actions being legal would in effect mean we had in effect jettisoned every bit of the soul and spirit of the law in favor of spurious interpretations that could be thinly used to justify what is done if and only if one is a sociopath with no conception of the purpose or spirit of the law.
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by zauguin on Saturday April 16, 2022 @12:32PM (#31053708)
Given the global scale I can assure you that the illegality has been proven in many affected countries. The main question is if it's also illegal in the US.
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by drdeca on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:53AM (#31053286)
Aiui, A number of their actions were later ruled unconstitutional (with no punishment)?
Re:Birds Aren’t Real took on the conspiracy theorists by riku_iki on Saturday April 16, 2022 @11:57AM (#31053331)
Maybe you have a chance to provide any specific reference to see if it is related to Snowden disclosure?