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Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by izacus on Friday April 15, 2022 @03:33AM (#31037485)
> Europe hasn't had an army to speak of for decades (and for a good reason). So "doubling military expenditures" for most of Europe is "going from nearly zero to slightly more than zero".

Where do you get these claims? Most European countries are part of NATO which demands a modernized standing army as part of its membership requirements.

While it's true that most countries don't spend the ridiculous amount of their wealth on arms as USA does, the armies of European countries are far from not existing.

Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by dmitriid on Friday April 15, 2022 @03:55AM (#31037606)
> Most European countries are part of NATO which demands a modernized standing army as part of its membership requirements.

I couldn't be bothered to look beyond Wikipedia, so going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Po...

1. Most countries spend significatly less than is required by NATO. Nato requires 2% of GDP to be spent on defense. In the EU, only 7 countries are at that threshold, or above it, and of those Finland is not in NATO.

2. France has the largest active military personnel at 200k, and of those, 17k are "prepared for deployed and sustained operations".

At this point all of EU couldn't get an army to respond to Russia's current force engaged in Ukraine.

Re:Sunken Moskva Could Be the Biggest Naval Combat Loss in 4... by realityking on Friday April 15, 2022 @04:09AM (#31037688)
> NATO […] demands a modernized standing army as part of its membership requirements

This is not strictly true and there’s no such legal requirement, only a political one. Case in point id Iceland, which is a NATO member but has no armed forces to speak of.