> Or if you think SM is bad, then it can be a collective decision to ban SM, like we ban heroin.

Off topic but I don't think banning heroin did anyone any good. We still need proper labeling, packaging, and storage laws. We still need laws that prohibit drugging someone without their explicit permission. We probably need laws that don't allow sale to minors. We probably need ban on advertising "controlled substances". We might even say certain things you can only get under medical supervision by a licensed medical professional.

I just don't think possession ought to be a crime like it is today. Endangering others, sure but possession is just asking for abuse by law enforcement.

That specifically worked for Greek democracies, which were as much about the ability to exclude the most powerful as they were to enable the public participation in power.

Worked until it didn't. When it was a small forum, yes. When it became just a popularity contest, much less so.

That where the ostracism came in. When the most popular became the most powerful they often got booted…