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Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by blhack on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @04:45PM (#3100224)
Okay, so maybe I'm missing the point here, but, uh...

No shit?

Is there anybody who seriously is tossing 135Tb at a single JBOD?

I'm not a storage guy, not even close, and even I know that that is a frighteningly ridiculous, get-you-fired idea.

These are meant as individual parts in a larger, highly redundant setup. That's the entire point.

Is the next post going to be: "Why you won't be able to download music at 1Gbps even with a GIGABIT SWITCH! Cisco lies!"?

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by tommi on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @04:51PM (#3100249)
Read the post. In particular "Why the folks at Backblaze don’t care about the “risks”" section.
Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by blhack on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @04:56PM (#3100266)
I know, my point is that anybody with enough knowledge about this topic to be interested in this article would already know.
Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by soult on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @06:11PM (#3100583)
I take it you only read the first part of the article.

They used RAID6 over 15 drives each, combining those 15 drives via LVM, allowing the loss of 2 drives from the same group without data loss. This is the same configuration Backblaze uses as well, because even though their fancy custom software mirrors all data to different storage pods, it is easier to just replace a drive and rebuild the raid than rebuilding the whole JBOD from the data on other pods.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by nobody314159 on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @12:20AM (#3101488)
The problem is that a large number of the failures that would take out 2 of 15 drives in a raid array will also take out all 15!

Think bad power supply, mains spike, cooling failure, fire, flood .....

If you need raid, you also need a separate copy in a separate location.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by nknight on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @02:16AM (#3101711)
Your point isn't entirely invalid, but I lose HDDs a hell of a lot more often than I encounter any of the other problems you mention. I don't think I've seen a power supply pop since 2006, I've never lost UPS/surge-protected gear to a mains spike, every server room or datacenter I've cared about has been environmentally monitored, heptafluoropropane exists for a reason, and why are you building a datacenter on a floodplain?

In contrast, I lose 5-10% of the spinning HDDs I care about every year.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by VikingCoder on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @09:28AM (#3102822)
why are you building a datacenter on a floodplain?

Every spot in our solar system is susceptible to some unrecoverable disaster. If you don't want to lose your data, you have to have copies in more than one physical location.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by nknight on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @02:56PM (#3104011)
Yeah, I'll get right on that Mars mirror.

Seriously, I didn't say he was wrong in theory, but focusing so much attention on the highly unlikely to the detriment of the exceedingly common is a drastic distortion of the issue, and a cost/benefit analysis skewed in either direction can have costly repercussions.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by trin_ on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @05:26AM (#3102123)
just curious but do you have any data for SSD in use?
Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by nknight on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @02:51PM (#3103983)
No, I've not dealt with enough of them for long enough to have anything meaningful to say on the subject. So far I've not even had one clearly die (though there have been some very odd transient incidents.)

Jeff Atwood made an interesting post on that very subject a while back, though:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid...

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by smackfu on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @04:56PM (#3100265)
It seems like an interesting one-off kind of scenario. They have a lot of downloaded data, none of which is irreplaceable, but which would take a significant amount of time to redownload. This pod is a backup but a not very rigorous one, since the goal is to never have to download all the data, not to never have to download any of the data.
Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by serverascode on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @05:59PM (#3100506)
I'm looking at enclosures that can hold 60 disks. So 3TB SAS disks would be 180TB. Most enclosures of that kind have dual everything. Some SAS drives even have dual connections I believe (should look that up again).

At some point it's really a function of the size of the drives that makes the volume large. I think 60 drives is going to pretty much be the physical limit in 4 rack units.

You can buy the NL-108 from Isilon which has 108TB (36 3TB disks) if you want "enterprise." ;) Eventually they'll use 4TB drives in those.