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Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday April 11, 2022 @09:37PM (#30997542)
Regulatory capture is indeed a problem. But it's a hand-waving assertion that it's "much easier to pull off when there’s only one central authority that needs to be captured."

This sort of claim seems to me fundamentally rooted in some specific ideas about large human organizations, specifically of the governmental kind. One of the key ideas it requires to be true is that the corruption endemic to small-scale institutions (think your local mayor, perhaps (depending on your state) even your governor) will automatically apply to much larger scale institutions (such as those administered by the federal government).

I'm not going to deny that this could be true - it clearly could. But the change in scale, the change in mechanisms of influence that are required, the change in the possible side-effects of such corruption being uncovered ... these all point in the opposite direction, in my opinion.

Amazon and Walmart are not the victors in a game of regulatory capture. They are the beneficiaries of the election of senators, representatives, presidents and the appointments of judges who explicitly do not believe in much regulation. Even so, they are subject to more oversight than one of my local ranching families in NM, who can get a (former) governor to re-route millions of dollars in state & federal funding to a road they would prefer.

Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by zozbot234 on Monday April 11, 2022 @09:40PM (#30997574)
Corruption at all levels is far more "endemic" to large organizations than small ones. It's also less visible, because size correlates with a lack of transparency.
Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:25PM (#30997879)
Don't agree. Corruption "at all levels" requires coordination and/or a common stance towards it. Finding that in an organization of 3 people is not always so hard; finding it in an organization of 30k people is almost impossible.
Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by kortilla on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @02:08AM (#30999187)
No it doesn’t. It only requires a small group to agree to be corrupt.

As the organization increases, you are more likely to find people who can band together to collude to corrupt some small corner of it. Number of corrupt candidates increases, number required does not.

Amazon only needs to lobby one federal legislature’s members and only need to battle one federal regulatory body. If all of the power were at the state levels, it would have to scale that up 50x.

Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by redmen on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:33PM (#30997932)
There can be corruption at all levels without coordination.

Example: greed.

There is such a thing as unorganized corruption. Example, in lots of third world countries where their infrastructure and systems are so bad it breeds corruption. No need for a top down version of it.

Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:51PM (#30998021)
But if the greed is not coordinated, it's not going to pull an organization in a unified direction.

Yes, I agree that you can see examples in some parts of the world and in some time periods (including today) where even uncoordinate corruption is very damaging to a society. But - and this is important given the context in which I started talking about this - it does not appear to be a pathway to regulatory capture nor the formation of giant corporations in the sense that was proposed up-thread, in which a powerful "federal" organization is used to enable such organizations to exist.

Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by infogulch on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @02:00AM (#30999129)
> But if the greed is not coordinated, it's not going to pull an organization in a unified direction.

Greed won't direct an organization in a unified direction, but that just exposes a vulnerability where an outside party can exploit the greed at an individual level to direct the organization in a unified direction of its choosing.

Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by redmen on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:54PM (#30998038)
Maybe only a unified direction towards dysfunction lol

But yes in the context in which you have laid down you are correct I believe.

Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by zeruch on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:49PM (#30998012)
"Corruption "at all levels" requires coordination and/or a common stance towards it."

No such thing is required beyond the common stance of 'venal self-interest' regardless of organizational mandate. Without checks and balances (and penalties) you can get a loosely coupled "corruption" at all levels with little effort.

Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by meheleventyone on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @03:01AM (#30999513)
Even if we take this as true small, local governments are still large in aggregate and suffer the same problem. Fighting small town corruption is a trope for a reason. If anything decentralisation makes organisations less transparent (e.g. cell organisation for crime/spies/terrorists) because there is no common means to look into them.
Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by foldr on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @04:26AM (#30999988)
British local government is notoriously corrupt and very few Brits pay much attention to it in comparison to national politics (partly because it’s not reported on in major news outlets). See for example Private Eye’s “rotten boroughs” column. So that would be one counterexample.
Re:Why the past 10 years of American life have been uniquely... by hattmall on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @02:45AM (#30999431)
The corruption is so endemic in large organizations it becomes a necessary quality to even be a possible participant. This is very up front and visible in US federal government.