I assume it's because if you're not a senior captain in a major airline, most pilots earn very low wages and work long hours. Though it may be tempting to blame vaccine mandates depending on your ideology.

An article posted below:

https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2022/04/04/cancellations-c...

> An Alaska Airlines captain, according to a news release from the airline, averages about $341,000 a year, but pilots say it’s not just about money — they also want work rule changes, job security and scheduling flexibility.

So, money doesn't seem to be it alone...

> work rule changes

interesting.

GP said explicitly (my highlight):

> if you're not a senior captain in a major airline, most pilots earn very low wages

What's interesting is how hard people struggle to force a narrative that isn't there.

If you find that interesting, have you investigated why _people_ do it?

Yes, because they really really want their preconceptions to be validated, and when they are incapable of accepting that there is no evidence for their argument, they choose to take unrelated stories and repackage them as an argument for their side despite a complete lack of support for the position in the source material.

Just like you are doing here.

I would say something like it comes down to a fundamental distrust of our society and its various institutions of power combined with the fact that despite this distrust _people_ are being made to go along with something they don't believe in.

But ya, _people_ are just uninformed and building a narrative that isn't there.

Even if the narratives are inherently false, can't we at least consider why the mistrust is present instead of essentially accusing _people_ of a lack of logic and borderline calling _people_ crazy?

Oh, sure, we can do that. And often we do. But mistrust is absolutely not an excuse to inflame culture wars and spread misinformation.

Probably because they furloughed a good chunk of them, and it gave them the time and space to decide they didn't want to go back to their miserable, underpaid job.

Starting pay for an Alaska Airlines First Officer in a 737-800 is $93/hr. Not exactly an underpaid job.

And not exactly a job one can step into right out of school. First officer on a 737 for an airline is not by any definition an entry-level position. It is a career highlight, not a footstep.

You're not including all the hours that you spend waiting without getting paid for it. For every hour you are flying, you'll spend another waiting at the airport.

Other airlines pay for this time, Alaska does not. Which is why they can't find pilots. Their overall pay is crap.

How many hours a month do they work!

Exactly. This is after a minimum of a decade of training a shit paying jobs, on average it's probably closer to 15 to 20 years I would guess. And they're paid for time in the air. And have to be away from home. And have inconsistent schedules and frequently work in the middle of the night.

They also only get paid for when the door is closed to open, I think. There are a bunch of weird labor rules in the airline industry.

Is that flight hour or working hour. Or travel hour... Certainly not hours away from home.

How is that pay calculated?

Sorry, I'm dense...what is this comment referring to?

This is misinformation. The Air Line Pilots Association has confirmed that more pilots under their union died in both 2019 and 2020 than in 2021.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-pilots...

If you have another source, feel free to provide it, but I've found no other source for this claim aside from Facebook memes.

I don't get this - is the vaccine killing the pilots? Why is pilot deaths up 4x and what is the source?

You have as much support for that claim as I do for this one: you are wumao.

I like how you claim that deaths are up, yet somehow the data doesn't exist yet. And then you're being melodramatic in other comments about not being able to questions vaccines.

Maybe it's because you're casting doubt without actually considering the evidence in front of you.

From the subheadline:

> more than 97% of its staff received at least one shot after the deadline this week.

If pilots and copilots are massively, massively over-represented in the remaining 3%, you might have a point, but that is a huge and unsupported assumption.

> 10,000 pilots left the airline industry during the pandemic.

"airline industry" being the differentiator between what you listed and the original article's claim.

Also, the number you're referencing is United Airline's, so not even Alaskan.

> United Airlines mandated vaccines for staff in August and said more than 97% of its staff received at least one shot after the deadline this week.

All those discrepancies aside, you probably have a point. I don't personally believe it's _this_ reason alone, but I think it's at least a part of the issue.

How is this very different from other industries? Many industries are suffering from labor shortages, either via retirements, or people finding better jobs. Perhaps being an airline pilot is just not as good as other job options right now, or maybe a bunch of pilots aged out (60?) and not enough new younger pilots came into the industry to fill the gaps?

That which cannot be questioned, isn't.

I had to look up that quote and found the links below. I wonder if you realize you're quoting a neo-nazi busted with child porn:

https://asiatimes.com/2020/09/does-it-even-matter-who-first-...

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-voltaire-quote/fac...

I do. I found the first article and read it prior to posting the link. I'm not referring to Jewish people, but corporations and corrupt government bodies.

If you read the first article, you'll see the author is _really_ torn about whether a phrase should be attacked based on the original author.

I personally don't think the author changes the meaning behind a quote. I _do_ think the context matters. I don't see being alt-right-nazi-quadrune adjacent as a crime. I don't hold the views of the original author.

wow I had no idea society was ruled over by children with leukemia. Learn something new every day.

Children with Leukemia are mega whiny.

I've literally never heard one complain.

TBH, you've definitely got me there. Isn't it nice I could criticize them and have my opinion refuted without hostility?

This is inadvertently insightful since we are indeed not allowed to substantially criticize and reduce the power of the medical industry, as innocent lives are at stake if costs are moderated. Understandably, no one wants to reckon with the potential consequence of losing innocents that might’ve benefitted from an additional treatment.

For the record, the person behind that quote is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom