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Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by dylan604 on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:28AM (#30989223)
The teenager's ability to drive safely isn't just a mechanical ability of driving a car or of just being aware of the laws/rules. Safe driving comes from years of experience on being able to decide how long it will take to stop at certain speeds in certain conditions. Being able to recognize their car's brakes are a little soft and might not stop on a dime any more. Being able to recognize that the driver in front of them is potentially impaired, so best give them some space.

There are plenty of things that come with experience vs book learning that makes a safer driver. A freshly licensed teen comes with none of that. They also have the natural tendency of having high risk tolerance which makes decision making different than an older/exeprienced driver that is more risk averse.

Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by formerly_proven on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:37AM (#30989371)
Hearsay is that you have to drive more than 100 000 km in diverse conditions with the right mindset in order to become a fluent and experienced driver. With an average mileage, that will take most people around a decade after beginning to drive. Most people never seem to become fluent, experienced drivers, because they lack the practice, or the mindset, or both.
Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by dylan604 on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:53AM (#30989630)
Exactly, except, I'm not sure where the 100,000km condition was established.

I'm in North Texas, so I have a personal rule that if the temps are forecasted to be below freezing with any form of precipitation, I do not leave the house. People make moronic decisions on how to drive in those conditions because it doesn't happen enough and as a collective, proper ability to drive is forgotten every single time.

Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by throwawayboise on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:53AM (#30990523)
That is my experience from one visit to the Arlington area years ago. One morning it was below freezing and there were some icy patches especially on bridges. Drivers were either creeping at 2mph or spinning out. There didn't seem to be anyone on the road who knew how to handle it.
Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by newaccount74 on Monday April 11, 2022 @01:27PM (#30992048)
How do you drive on icy roads though? Creeping at 2mph sounds like a reasonable choice, at least you won't make a lot of damage when you slowly slide into an obstacle.
Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by dylan604 on Monday April 11, 2022 @01:51PM (#30992349)
>How do you drive on icy roads though?

It's a trick question. You don't should be the response.

For those that do, my first question is what is so damn important that you have to be driving in icy conditions in the first place? Schools are closed. Most businesses are closed. If my business isn't closed, I use a personal day. This isn't Chicago/Minneapolis where the snow lasts for 3 months. This is N. Texas. It's typically only cold enough for these conditions for a couple of days and typically only at night. Which actually makes it worse as it melts in the day, refreezes overnight, and people forget about the refreeze and drive as if things are normal.

Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by tremon on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:41AM (#30989444)
experience vs book learning

Why would you assume that a driver's education is a matter of book learning? Is that how you were taught?

Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by dylan604 on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:50AM (#30989584)
Yes it was. I am of a certain age that we had a certain number of classroom hours as well as a certain number of hours behind the wheel with an instructor as well as certain number of hours in a car as an observer with an instructor.

We had book(lets) that we had to read from to learn the rules/laws of the road. There were quizzes/tests to be taken during those classes in order to pass the class. Once the class was passed, I then had to take a written exam issued by the state. That was followed by an actual driving test with a state official in the car.

So assuming based on my personal experience. I know the times have changed, and you no longer have to do silly things like learn how to drive or be required to wear shoes while driving in today's world.

Re:San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for ... by ghaff on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:18AM (#30990008)
To a first approximation, I'm skeptical that anywhere in the world a learning supervised driver gains sufficient on-road experience to to count as a skilled experienced driver. Clearly, different places make somewhat different tradeoffs with respect to licensing. However, I'll go out on a limb and say the majority of drivers with 5 to 10 years experience are better drivers than newly licensed drivers.